'The Train Job'
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I think (as is usually the case) most of the people who are shouting about how wrong and evil Eli Roth's films are have never seen them. I used to be one of them.
I've seen Cabin Fever, which would be enough to put me off Eli Roth forever even without his insulting halfwitted defense of his movies against charges of homophobia.
his insulting halfwitted defense
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Well, I haven't seen Hostel, so I don't know whether there's anything more homophobic than a few characters saying, "That's so gay," but if that's all there is, I have to agree with him. Especially if the characters are supposed to be assholes deserving of the violence they receive.
It reminds me of Jay and Silent Bob Strike back, where two characters have a conversation about how one keeps saying everything is gay... "next you're going to say the monkey's gay!" and people cited that as why Kevin Smith is a homophobe.
It's not so much the inclusion of characters who use the slurs in the movie (many, many, MANY times from what I've heard) but Roth's insistence that there's nothing bigoted about using words like "gay" and "fag" as derogatory terms that makes me see red. And unlike Kevin Smith, I give him ZERO cred for intending anything other than authorial agreement with the character(s) making the slurs.
I have yet to see the Hostel movies, but Cabin Fever sucked. The only thing worth mentioning about Cabin Fever is the "OMG! Rider Strong? I haven't seen him since Boy Meets World" factor. However, Eli Roth's Thanksgiving trailer for Grindhouse was brilliant - enough for me to give the Hostel movies a chance.
Eli Roth hatorz might enjoy this image but I gotta say that looks like a wimpy flogger.
Especially if the characters are supposed to be assholes deserving of the violence they receive.
That Roth creates characters that he regards as deserving torture raises a striped crimson and vermilion flag with me as to his quality as a writer.
It's not so much the inclusion of characters who use the slurs in the movie (many, many, MANY times from what I've heard) but Roth's insistence that there's nothing bigoted about using words like "gay" and "fag" as derogatory terms that makes me see red
Agreed. To argue that there's nothing homophobic about calling somebody a 'fag' is more than a little out of it. And even if that wasn't the case, intent isn't everything. Context counts.
Roth doesn't use the word "deserve." But it is kind of traditional in horror movies for bad shit to happen to bad people because they're bad people, so I'm not sure how that necessarily indicates poor writing.
