his insulting halfwitted defense
link?
Book: Where's the doctor? Not back yet?
Zoe: (beat) We don't make him hurry for the little stuff. He'll be along.
Book: He could hurry... a little.
'Safe'
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Laga - Jun 08, 2007 12:27:52 pm PDT #8989 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 08, 2007 1:24:08 pm PDT #8990 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
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Polter-Cow - Jun 08, 2007 1:29:56 pm PDT #8991 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Well, I haven't seen Hostel, so I don't know whether there's anything more homophobic than a few characters saying, "That's so gay," but if that's all there is, I have to agree with him. Especially if the characters are supposed to be assholes deserving of the violence they receive.
Laga - Jun 08, 2007 1:35:11 pm PDT #8992 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
It reminds me of Jay and Silent Bob Strike back, where two characters have a conversation about how one keeps saying everything is gay... "next you're going to say the monkey's gay!" and people cited that as why Kevin Smith is a homophobe.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 08, 2007 1:43:37 pm PDT #8993 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
It's not so much the inclusion of characters who use the slurs in the movie (many, many, MANY times from what I've heard) but Roth's insistence that there's nothing bigoted about using words like "gay" and "fag" as derogatory terms that makes me see red. And unlike Kevin Smith, I give him ZERO cred for intending anything other than authorial agreement with the character(s) making the slurs.
Invisible Green - Jun 08, 2007 1:49:49 pm PDT #8994 of 10001
I have yet to see the Hostel movies, but Cabin Fever sucked. The only thing worth mentioning about Cabin Fever is the "OMG! Rider Strong? I haven't seen him since Boy Meets World" factor. However, Eli Roth's Thanksgiving trailer for Grindhouse was brilliant - enough for me to give the Hostel movies a chance.
Laga - Jun 08, 2007 2:04:26 pm PDT #8995 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
Eli Roth hatorz might enjoy this image but I gotta say that looks like a wimpy flogger.
IAmNotReallyASpring - Jun 08, 2007 3:51:49 pm PDT #8996 of 10001
I think Freddy Quimby should walk out of here a free hotel
Especially if the characters are supposed to be assholes deserving of the violence they receive.
That Roth creates characters that he regards as deserving torture raises a striped crimson and vermilion flag with me as to his quality as a writer.
It's not so much the inclusion of characters who use the slurs in the movie (many, many, MANY times from what I've heard) but Roth's insistence that there's nothing bigoted about using words like "gay" and "fag" as derogatory terms that makes me see red
Agreed. To argue that there's nothing homophobic about calling somebody a 'fag' is more than a little out of it. And even if that wasn't the case, intent isn't everything. Context counts.
Strega - Jun 08, 2007 4:41:35 pm PDT #8997 of 10001
Roth doesn't use the word "deserve." But it is kind of traditional in horror movies for bad shit to happen to bad people because they're bad people, so I'm not sure how that necessarily indicates poor writing.
§ ita § - Jun 08, 2007 4:51:30 pm PDT #8998 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I know nothing of Eli Roth movies, but it's not rare in fiction at all for people to "deserve" what happens to them. Sometimes they don't, and that can be the point, and sometimes they do.
Is the argument that no one deserves torture, but that other negative things can be deserved, or that writers shouldn't write characters that deserve negative things, period.