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Buffista Movies 5: Development Hell  

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Amy - Jun 03, 2007 12:51:00 pm PDT #8938 of 10001
Because books.

Just got back from P3, and I'll happily sit in the corner with those who loved it. Yes, it was long, but I always expect extended battle scenes to bore me. (The multiple Agent Smith fight in Matrix Reloaded nearly made me pull my hair out.)

I'm not sure why motivation didn't come across for so many viewers. Seemed to me that everyone's motivation was simply a carryover from P2, with the exception of Elizabeth, whose new goal was rescue Jack and thus relieve her guilt. I'll grant that the relationship between Tia/Calypso and Davey Jones was a bit muddled, but I still adored the scene where she touched him and we got to see the man beneath the monster.

All in all, it was an enjoyable romp, if a bit of a bloated one. Ben said to me, as we were leaving, that he liked having all of the storylines tied up and questions answered, finally, and I agree. The very, very end -- post-credits -- was entirely predictable, but also highly satisfying to a romantic like me (although it does chafe that Elizabeth gives up her life at sea, presumably because of the baby on the way. She proved herself -- again, to me, especially in this film, after the events of all three -- as a capable ship's captain, if not necessarily as a pirate, and definitely as a woman who still had battles to fight in her. ) Still, I loved the last shot.


Kevin - Jun 03, 2007 1:20:01 pm PDT #8939 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Oh, I didn't know about post credit stuff AmyLiz.


Amy - Jun 03, 2007 1:24:35 pm PDT #8940 of 10001
Because books.

They have those brief scenes post-credits in all three series -- I only missed the first one.


Laga - Jun 03, 2007 1:30:56 pm PDT #8941 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I only missed the first one.

O too bad. The first one was definitely the best. And it explains why Jack is an undead monkey in the next two.

spoilerfont added for anyone who doesn't want to be spoiled on the monkey's character arc.


Dana - Jun 03, 2007 1:31:47 pm PDT #8942 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I didn't stay through the Pirates credits. Can someone tell me what the last shot was?


Laga - Jun 03, 2007 1:34:57 pm PDT #8943 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Here's a repost. I've since rewatched Pirates and found I was wrong on some of the details but I got the major notes right:

The credits end and a title screen comes up, "Ten Years Later" A (presumably ten-year-old) kid is running through a field towards a seaside cliff singing, "A Pirates Life." The camera draws back and we see Elizabeth Turner (she hasn't aged a day!) she puts her arm maternally around the boy's shoulder and looks out to sea. We follow her gaze to the mast of The Flying Dutchman. Will Turner hugs the mast staring towards the shore. The camera pulls back majestically and we fade out.


Dana - Jun 03, 2007 1:36:39 pm PDT #8944 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Thanks.


§ ita § - Jun 03, 2007 1:53:40 pm PDT #8945 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Huh. It never occurred to me that Elizabeth had given up her life at sea.


Laga - Jun 03, 2007 1:56:34 pm PDT #8946 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Yeah I don't think you can neccesarily assume that she's given up the life at sea just because ten years later she's waiting for Will on dry land.


Amy - Jun 03, 2007 2:01:14 pm PDT #8947 of 10001
Because books.

I think maybe it was because the geography looked like England to me, and the fact that she had a dress on, as opposed to the comfortable boy clothes she'd become accustomed to wearing.

Also, we see everyone else "settled" now that the big fight is over. Barbosa has stolen the Black Pearl again, Sparrow is still scheming and charming, we know Norrington and Beckett and Elizabeth's father are dead, and we see some of the crew -- Gibbs with Sparrow, the others with Barbosa. I fully expected Elizabeth to be the one commandeering the Black Pearl, so when she wasn't included in any of those scenes, I moved right to: she's given up the sea.

Also also, the boy's voice singing that song sounded wistful and hopeful to me, and his outfit -- with the hat and all -- came across very much as idol worship/make believe.

I could totally be wrong, though. That happens a lot.

Edited because I forgot a lot of stuff.