Strega, did you see the billboard? It was totally traumatizing. I saw it before hearing all the outrage and it did feel like a kick in the teeth. I agree that censorship isn't the answer, but what is being asked for is removing the movie's rating, not censoring it.
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Glamcookie - Mar 28, 2007 10:18:56 am PDT #8012 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
Strega - Mar 28, 2007 12:51:35 pm PDT #8013 of 10001
Yeah, and that's basically the PMRC 's strategy, too. I'm not cool with it.
The price of free expression is that you may hear and see things that you don't like, or that upset you.
Polter-Cow - Mar 28, 2007 12:55:05 pm PDT #8014 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
In looking up what PMRC was, I came across Rage Against the Machine's penises, which I did not really need to see.
There's something ironic here.
Sean K - Mar 28, 2007 12:57:00 pm PDT #8015 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
The price of free expression is that you may hear and see things that you don't like, or that upset you.
And I'm generally fine with that, except all expression still has to pass the community standards test, and this one clearly fails. And frankly, there is not a damned thing wrong with a community deciding that this particular billboard was beyond the pale. Free expression as important to me and GC as it is to you, and we both thought it had no place in public.
erikaj - Mar 28, 2007 1:06:47 pm PDT #8016 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!
But, as I know from watching "This Film Is Not Yet Rated", denying a film-maker a rating really does mean that nobody sees it. But that was really a disgusting billboard. So basically, this whole dumb post is like "Beats hell out of me."
bon bon - Mar 28, 2007 1:13:23 pm PDT #8017 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
Well, the billboard was commercial speech, so it's not legally protected speech anyway. There's lots of regulations on billboards.
Free expression can be limited privately, which is what seems to be happening.
Glamcookie - Mar 28, 2007 1:15:54 pm PDT #8018 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
The difference to me is that you don't have to listen to music, see a movie, watch a tv show, or read a book if you don't want to. While driving down the street, however, billboards are in your face. And this one was way over the line, which is why it was pulled down immediately.
ETA: My point being that I generally agree, Strega, but this was just misogyny at it's worst. If Janet Jackson's nipple leads to big fines (ridiculous IMO), then why should these people be able to put the torture and killing of a woman in our faces and not have some accountability for it?
§ ita § - Mar 28, 2007 3:31:30 pm PDT #8019 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
all expression still has to pass the community standards test
Can a community ever be wrong?
Aims - Mar 28, 2007 3:40:35 pm PDT #8020 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.
points to Jonestown
Ash - Mar 28, 2007 3:40:55 pm PDT #8021 of 10001
Free expression? Please. Businesses are not people. A business has no "right" of free speech whatsoever. They can purchase an ad, and individual people (whose speech does, actually, have some protections) can attempt to get it out of the public eye if they wish. But I cry no tears over a business's free speech.