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Buffista Movies 5: Development Hell  

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megan walker - Nov 06, 2006 5:37:59 am PST #5467 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I think those Zombies were from 28 Days.

Because they were hungover?


DavidS - Nov 06, 2006 5:42:14 am PST #5468 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Because they were hungover?

Heh. No because you could see their cheekbones like Viggo.


megan walker - Nov 06, 2006 5:44:43 am PST #5469 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

BTW, Hec, thanks for recommending the "Out of the Past" podcasts awhile back. I need to really amp up the section on noir in my book and they have been quite interesting. I wish they would dissect the films more though.


Sean K - Nov 06, 2006 6:53:53 am PST #5470 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Those were awesome, Corwood.


DavidS - Nov 06, 2006 7:30:30 am PST #5471 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

BTW, Hec, thanks for recommending the "Out of the Past" podcasts awhile back. I need to really amp up the section on noir in my book and they have been quite interesting. I wish they would dissect the films more though.

You're welcome! Kind of depends on the film. Some of them do generate a real close analysis. Though I tend to hew to the theory that Noir was a cycle rather than a genre, and they definitely see it as a genre.


megan walker - Nov 06, 2006 7:45:02 am PST #5472 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Kind of depends on the film. Some of them do generate a real close analysis. Though I tend to hew to the theory that Noir was a cycle rather than a genre, and they definitely see it as a genre.

Well, I'm on board with noir as a genre, but it definitely was also of a certain time and I wish they would acknowledge that more.

I'm only up to Laura, because, of course, I had to start at the beginning, rewatching each one as I go. Next up are The Killers, Rififi, and The Big Sleep, so that's promising.


Frankenbuddha - Nov 06, 2006 7:56:44 am PST #5473 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I'm only up to Laura

I always consider LAURA an odd fit with the rest of noir. Probably because there was more of an unwittingly fatal femme than a conscious femme fatale, and the dialogue favored snarky social ladder bitchiness over hard boiled tough-guyisms.


DavidS - Nov 06, 2006 7:58:12 am PST #5474 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Well, I'm on board with noir as a genre,

Really? I don't know how you counter the argument that a genre work is made to genre conventions. Since Noir wasn't itself a genre at the time the films were being made, I can't see how a bunch of melodramas and policiers can be lumped together generically. On more of a gut level, though, I just don't feel like movies made outside of the noir era are really noir at all. Movies that consciously ape stylistic elements of noir always look like pastiche. I don't feel that way about later day Westerns.


Tom Scola - Nov 06, 2006 8:01:49 am PST #5475 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

On more of a gut level, though, I just don't feel like movies made outside of the noir era are really noir at all.

Are there really very many "noir" films outside of the noir era that were shot in high-contrast B&W?


Polter-Cow - Nov 06, 2006 8:02:05 am PST #5476 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The Big Sleep, so that's promising.

Oh! Watch closely, and you can tell us who killed the chauffeur.