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One of the most affecting French films in my memory is Claude Sautet's Un Coeur en Hiver, with Emmanuelle Beart and Daniel Auteuil, which is sparse and elegant and terribly wounding in a quiet way.
Sautet's 'Nelly and Monsieur Arnaud' is even more low-key, in a kind of the-characters-react-to-the-the-dramatic-moments-by-walking-down-the-street way.
I think my favourite foreign film is Jesu de Montreal. Except, I was living in Montreal when I saw it, so I'm not sure how foreign it was.
It's the gothiest goth goth in gothonia, huh?
Heh. Well, yes. That's the point, really. I think if I had to make a Goth DVD Starter Kit, it would include both Addams Family movies, Beetlejuice, Nightmare Before Christmas, The Crow, and Gypsy 83. And maybe the original Dracula, just because. Or The Hunger.
The Crow is a very good movie -- in some ways, I think it turned out better because the director had to retool a number of scenes because of Lee's tragic death.
Heh. Well, yes. That's the point, really. I think if I had to make a Goth DVD Starter Kit, it would include both Addams Family movies, Beetlejuice, Nightmare Before Christmas, The Crow, and Gypsy 83. And maybe the original Dracula, just because. Or The Hunger.
I very much like all of these except Gypsy 83 and The Hunger. And that's probably because I've seen neither.
Maybe I'm a secret goth somewhere under my cheerful blue golf shirt demeanor.
The Crow has my second-favorite "dramatic transformation scene ending with a cool reveal shot through a window" evah. Batman Returns being the first.
Okay, I don't think there are any other candidates, but I love those sequences, and they're kind of similar so... shut up!
Anyway. The part where you can tell they're trying to give it an actual plot where there's a problem to solve is kind of dopey. I mostly love the first two-thirds, where there really isn't any plot, just a series of violent revenge fantasies. Which is more faithful to the comic. Gris, if you liked the movie, get the comic, 'cause it's just heart-shredding.
Jilli, would Rocky Horror qualify for inclusion in the Goth archetype hall of fame? I've always felt that based on the Transylvanian characters' style and Tim Curry's song at the end, but I realize my opinion could be way off base from the intent of those in the movement.
Jilli, would Rocky Horror qualify for inclusion in the Goth archetype hall of fame?
Hmm. It probably should, as there's a HUGE cross-over between the RHPS community and the Goth scene. I always forget about it because I haven't seen it in over a decade.
There is a huge crossover, it is true. (Which I tend to remember, because I did RHPS with a bunch of people in the Goth scene, and these things stick out.)
Is it true as well in other cities than our own?
In my hometown, RHPS was the only socially-acceptable outlet for goths. Of course, we didn't know we were goths at the time.
When my DH did RHPS, there wasn't much of a goth community in the remoter parts of the Bay Area, so he says there was no xover.
I'm not sure I'd consider it goth, though, like as part of a starter kit. It's right on the edge of punk and goth and comedy and drag.
I'd definitely include The Hunger but I'm partial.