The Crow is a very good movie -- in some ways, I think it turned out better because the director had to retool a number of scenes because of Lee's tragic death.
Mal: You were dead! Tracy: Hunh? Oh. Right. Suppose I was. Hey there, Zoe.
'The Message'
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Theodosia - Sep 16, 2006 3:29:43 pm PDT #4373 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
Gris - Sep 16, 2006 4:53:47 pm PDT #4374 of 10001
Hey. New board.
Heh. Well, yes. That's the point, really. I think if I had to make a Goth DVD Starter Kit, it would include both Addams Family movies, Beetlejuice, Nightmare Before Christmas, The Crow, and Gypsy 83. And maybe the original Dracula, just because. Or The Hunger.
I very much like all of these except Gypsy 83 and The Hunger. And that's probably because I've seen neither.
Maybe I'm a secret goth somewhere under my cheerful blue golf shirt demeanor.
Strega - Sep 16, 2006 5:07:35 pm PDT #4375 of 10001
The Crow has my second-favorite "dramatic transformation scene ending with a cool reveal shot through a window" evah. Batman Returns being the first.
Okay, I don't think there are any other candidates, but I love those sequences, and they're kind of similar so... shut up!
Anyway. The part where you can tell they're trying to give it an actual plot where there's a problem to solve is kind of dopey. I mostly love the first two-thirds, where there really isn't any plot, just a series of violent revenge fantasies. Which is more faithful to the comic. Gris, if you liked the movie, get the comic, 'cause it's just heart-shredding.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 16, 2006 6:36:19 pm PDT #4376 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Jilli, would Rocky Horror qualify for inclusion in the Goth archetype hall of fame? I've always felt that based on the Transylvanian characters' style and Tim Curry's song at the end, but I realize my opinion could be way off base from the intent of those in the movement.
Atropa - Sep 16, 2006 6:45:28 pm PDT #4377 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
Jilli, would Rocky Horror qualify for inclusion in the Goth archetype hall of fame?
Hmm. It probably should, as there's a HUGE cross-over between the RHPS community and the Goth scene. I always forget about it because I haven't seen it in over a decade.
P.M. Marc - Sep 16, 2006 7:03:11 pm PDT #4378 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
There is a huge crossover, it is true. (Which I tend to remember, because I did RHPS with a bunch of people in the Goth scene, and these things stick out.)
Is it true as well in other cities than our own?
Volans - Sep 16, 2006 8:33:31 pm PDT #4379 of 10001
move out and draw fire
In my hometown, RHPS was the only socially-acceptable outlet for goths. Of course, we didn't know we were goths at the time.
When my DH did RHPS, there wasn't much of a goth community in the remoter parts of the Bay Area, so he says there was no xover.
I'm not sure I'd consider it goth, though, like as part of a starter kit. It's right on the edge of punk and goth and comedy and drag.
I'd definitely include The Hunger but I'm partial.
Hayden - Sep 16, 2006 9:40:04 pm PDT #4380 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
That was a great list, Megan. Another less-appreciated current French director I like a lot is Cantet. His movies Time Out and Human Resources were just freakin' brilliant.
Kalshane - Sep 17, 2006 12:29:51 am PDT #4381 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
Is it true as well in other cities than our own?
It was around here. I never went, but I had some friends who actually did the show aspect, and while none of them were goth, they met a bunch of them through via RH.
megan walker - Sep 17, 2006 7:06:51 am PDT #4382 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
Another less-appreciated current French director I like a lot is Cantet. His movies Time Out and Human Resources were just freakin' brilliant.
He's very good. I loved Time Out, but I'm a big fan of Karin Viard. Have you seen Vers le sud ? Because it looked like a train wreck to me and I was surprised when I realized it was him.