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-t - Aug 05, 2006 10:21:25 am PDT #3338 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I just saw a commercial for it, and was trying to sort out my feelings. Which are mostly that I don't know if the movie being made is a good thing or a bad thing or some complicated mishmash of good and bad, but I know I don't want to see it. So I won't.


Hayden - Aug 05, 2006 10:28:26 am PDT #3339 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Because I don't find, for instance, Schindler's List or Life is Beautiful to be exploitive.

I sure found Life is Beautiful exploitive. And noxious. Basically unforgiveable.


erikaj - Aug 05, 2006 11:27:43 am PDT #3340 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, I like "Rescue Me" and Leary and Tolan have been writing about 9/11 the whole time.( But I'm also a sick fucker who laughed because they only found the cousin's thumb and somebody made a joke about it.) But, in actuality, of course that show is about the aftermath, anyway. What it means to be a survivor...what a hero is, well, in between the nudity and jokes about transvestites.(Ok, so I'm not quite a poor man's Corwood. Arrest me.) But I still agree that building towers and blowing them up in your movie seems crass, but I'm not sure why that feels different except that everything Oliver Stone is a lot Too Much.


Vonnie K - Aug 05, 2006 11:46:36 am PDT #3341 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I won't go see World Trade Center because it's Oliver Stone, and I detest Oliver Stone. I have zero confidence in him to tell this story with the kind of sensitivity it requires, now or 50 years from now. I do plan on renting United 93, for whenver it will be that I may feel up to watching it without having a panic attack.

Everyone has their comfort level with this type of stories. I deliberated quite a bit before going to see Hotel Rwanda, and while the movie had its flaws, I was ultimately glad I went to see it.


Steph L. - Aug 05, 2006 11:48:00 am PDT #3342 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I won't go see World Trade Center because it's Oliver Stone, and I detest Oliver Stone.

Well, there's that, too.


Amy - Aug 05, 2006 11:58:17 am PDT #3343 of 10001
Because books.

It's still too soon for me, but there are personal reasons for that. I think, in general, it's too soon for these movies, but for anyone who may find them cathartic, all to the good.

I just ... I can't watch the commercials without wanting to cry, because I still remember that day very, very clearly.

I won't go see World Trade Center because it's Oliver Stone, and I detest Oliver Stone.

I'm with you there, too. I don't like his movies, as a rule, and this is a subject that really requires delicate handling.


Scrappy - Aug 05, 2006 12:07:26 pm PDT #3344 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Stone is my reason, not the timing. Some of the great war movies were made very close to or during the wars they were chronicling. United 93 was made because Greengrass was deeply moved by the heroism of the people on the that flight. Sure, it was funded by cynical folks who only wanted to make money, but since that is true of every single movie ever made, it doesn't seem to be a reason not to see the film. The wrier and director had honorable reasons. However, It's too soon for ME to see either of them.


Steph L. - Aug 05, 2006 12:10:13 pm PDT #3345 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I just ... I can't watch the commercials without wanting to cry, because I still remember that day very, very clearly.

One of the shots in the commercial for the movie is Nic Cage -- I guess he plays a police officer -- in the lobby of a building, looking out the glass of the doors with a completely stunned expression as that first wave of dust/debris/smoke rolled by when the first tower went down.

And all I can think when I see it is, That's not real. And I feel sick in the pit of my stomach.


Jars - Aug 05, 2006 12:37:52 pm PDT #3346 of 10001

Well, I won't be going to see it either, just because it's Oliver Stone. However, I don't necessarily think that just because a movie is made soon after an event it should be exploitative. Movies aren't just entertainment. Sometimes they're not even entertainment. Sometimes they're just to teach, or commemorate. I personally think that for these events a documentary might achieve that more tastefully, but I haven't seen the film, so...


§ ita § - Aug 05, 2006 12:58:50 pm PDT #3347 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think part of it for me is that I've ODed on those visuals. I liked Three Kings, for instance, and that was very close to its time--and a war movie which normally freaks me out.

The towers? I've seen them fall a hundred times. From many different angles. I watched until I was so sick I couldn't turn away. I saw the people around react--I saw the horror of hundreds if not thousands. I listened to tales of heroism, choked at the tears of survivors.

Oliver Stone has nothing to add.