Teppy, I agree with you. I think it is way too soon for a movie like that to be made. Maybe in twenty or thirty years, but not now. It is still too soon for the people that were effected by the tragedy.

What did you think about United 93 ?

Equally exploitive and crass.

I dislike it when anyone tries to make a buck off of very real, very specific horrific events.

There are, doubtless, people for whom those movies (United 93 and WTC) will be cathartic. And I don't minimize the importance of that, for those people.

But I still find the making of such fictionalized accounts of very real horrors to be utterly repugnant. Perhaps part of it is how close it is, time-wise. Because I don't find, for instance, Schindler's List or Life is Beautiful to be exploitive. But they're based on an event that took place well over half a century ago.

And though I personally don't care to watch them, war movies -- in general -- don't strike me as exploitive, though I admit I haven't seen any war movies that are set more recently than Vietnam.

Maybe that's it -- Hollywood jumping on the WTC attacks and turning it into "entertainment" feels way too soon, for me. t edit And sj says what I was trying to say, only she manages to do it in way fewer words. Teppy needs an editor.

That's probably hypocritical of me, or inconsistent, or something. But that's my knee-jerk (or my Teppy-is-a-jerk) reaction that I have every time that damned commercial comes on.

I certainly don't think you are a jerk - for as much as my opinion of you counts.

I really have no opinion of the movie, other than could they have picked a btter release date, please? I mean, come on. Leave my birthday alone!

I can see how it's crass and too soon, I can see how it could be healing and good.

However, I can't blame Hollywood alone for being exploitive. The families and victims themselves had to give their rights for the movies to be made, and, I'm pretty damn sure they got paid, and quite a bit. I think both parties are jumping on the American Tragedy as Entertainment bandwagon way too quick.

I just saw a commercial for it, and was trying to sort out my feelings. Which are mostly that I don't know if the movie being made is a good thing or a bad thing or some complicated mishmash of good and bad, but I know I don't want to see it. So I won't.

Because I don't find, for instance, Schindler's List or Life is Beautiful to be exploitive.

I sure found Life is Beautiful exploitive. And noxious. Basically unforgiveable.

Well, I like "Rescue Me" and Leary and Tolan have been writing about 9/11 the whole time.( But I'm also a sick fucker who laughed because they only found the cousin's thumb and somebody made a joke about it.) But, in actuality, of course that show is about the aftermath, anyway. What it means to be a survivor...what a hero is, well, in between the nudity and jokes about transvestites.(Ok, so I'm not quite a poor man's Corwood. Arrest me.) But I still agree that building towers and blowing them up in your movie seems crass, but I'm not sure why that feels different except that everything Oliver Stone is a lot Too Much.

I won't go see World Trade Center because it's Oliver Stone, and I detest Oliver Stone. I have zero confidence in him to tell this story with the kind of sensitivity it requires, now or 50 years from now. I do plan on renting United 93, for whenver it will be that I may feel up to watching it without having a panic attack.

Everyone has their comfort level with this type of stories. I deliberated quite a bit before going to see Hotel Rwanda, and while the movie had its flaws, I was ultimately glad I went to see it.

I won't go see World Trade Center because it's Oliver Stone, and I detest Oliver Stone.

Well, there's that, too.

It's still too soon for me, but there are personal reasons for that. I think, in general, it's too soon for these movies, but for anyone who may find them cathartic, all to the good.

I just ... I can't watch the commercials without wanting to cry, because I still remember that day very, very clearly.

I won't go see World Trade Center because it's Oliver Stone, and I detest Oliver Stone.

I'm with you there, too. I don't like his movies, as a rule, and this is a subject that really requires delicate handling.

Stone is my reason, not the timing. Some of the great war movies were made very close to or during the wars they were chronicling. United 93 was made because Greengrass was deeply moved by the heroism of the people on the that flight. Sure, it was funded by cynical folks who only wanted to make money, but since that is true of every single movie ever made, it doesn't seem to be a reason not to see the film. The wrier and director had honorable reasons. However, It's too soon for ME to see either of them.