You'd never make it. I'd rip your spine out before you got half a step. Those little legs wouldn't be much good without one of those.

Glory ,'The Killer In Me'


Buffista Movies 5: Development Hell  

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Matt the Bruins fan - May 27, 2006 6:49:53 pm PDT #1887 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Huh. Actually, I tend to think the early Rogue character would have leaped at the chance of a mutancy cure.

I was not at all happy with the storyline of the movie, though as others have said it's always a pleasure to see McKellen and Stewart acting.


kat perez - May 27, 2006 6:58:33 pm PDT #1888 of 10001
"We have trust issues." Mylar

I also really liked Kelsey Grammar (Grammer?). I thought he pulled that character off very well. Although I found the Wolverine/Beast exchanges some of the more poorly written scenes in the movie. Hardly witty repartee.


Kate P. - May 27, 2006 7:00:10 pm PDT #1889 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I was irritated by [whitefont]

Yeah, me too. During the climactic battle scene, I kept thinking, so basically, the point of introducing all these characters was to invent new and unusual ways to kill people or blow shit up.


kat perez - May 27, 2006 7:15:21 pm PDT #1890 of 10001
"We have trust issues." Mylar

I couldn't agree more. It really bugged me when that mutant who could sniff out other mutants powers was having her climactic battle with Storm. Was I supposed to care? Did anyone ever call her by name throughout the whole movie? Or any of the other tatooed mutants for that matter? The only one I can recall was Shockwave and that's because Magneto used her to destroy the plastic cure guns while I was wondering why he didn't just unleash Phoenix on them and have done with it. I would much rather have spent time with characters that I knew from the first two movies.


§ ita § - May 27, 2006 7:26:43 pm PDT #1891 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Watching Magneto roll up and have his minions, and then his inner circle, and then HIM defeated without so much as yelling "Hey! Jean! Help me out, will you?" was more than dumb. Even if she didn't because she was conflicted or distracted. Because, really, why was she there?

Not to mention the implication that the X-Men a) don't mind killing willy nilly (dude, that's Wolverine's job--what he does isn't very nice, remember?) and b) think that killing Jean is a better solution than curing her, or at least cuffing her to Leech makes them almost as narrowminded as Magneto ditching Mystique. That was a tip of the hat to canon that didn't make sense in the movie.

Wolverine was Wolverine, though. I think he was played well. Which reminds me, why did Storm have her knickers in a twist about the fastball special? Just because he didn't let the kids beat the Sentinel? I also thought it was weird to throw a bone to the fanboys and then proceed to beat them about the head with pointless inconsistencies later.

Oh, that wasn't Shockwave. She was Arclight. And I think in the comics Arclight hit the ground to make stuff happen, but I don't rightly recall. She was HIDEOUS.


kat perez - May 27, 2006 7:34:19 pm PDT #1892 of 10001
"We have trust issues." Mylar

See! Even the ones I think I know, I don't know. Therein lies the problem.

The last stand part of X Men: The Last Stand was problematic on a lot of levels.

So the X Men generally not being down with the killing was the reason that Bobby didn't kill Pyro during their battle? Because that also was not so much with the sense making. As a general rule when someone is trying to fry you, it's ok in my book to take them out. Maybe it's just me.


§ ita § - May 27, 2006 7:42:17 pm PDT #1893 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that Bobby didn't kill Pyro because he had a name, face, and personality. That's not so much a character note for Bobby as cowardice on the part of the screenwriters, I think. Much better to have the good guys kill off the characters just introduced in this movie. That's perfectly cricket.


§ ita § - May 27, 2006 7:48:49 pm PDT #1894 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh! Jamie Madrox was Multiple Man.


kat perez - May 27, 2006 7:53:04 pm PDT #1895 of 10001
"We have trust issues." Mylar

Oh, yeah. He was yummy. Did he ever show up again after he got ambushed as a diversion for the Golden Gate-jacking? (Which was also amazingly ridiculous. There HAD to be a better, less obtrusive way to get over there all stealth-like.)


§ ita § - May 27, 2006 8:01:22 pm PDT #1896 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think so, kat. As for stealth, if that's what they wanted--put everyone on a sheet of metal and fly them over. I guess they needed time for the X-Men to actually get there, and to disperse some of the effect of the decoy. Because otherwise it'd be too easy.