Y'all see the man hanging out of the spaceship with the really big gun? Now I'm not saying you weren't easy to find. It was kinda out of our way, and he didn't want to come in the first place. Man's lookin' to kill some folk. So really it's his will y'all should worry about thwarting.

Mal ,'Safe'


Buffista Movies 5: Development Hell  

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Sean K - May 27, 2006 7:28:40 am PDT #1871 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

You don't [whitefont]. Most of the X Men don't.

And, and and....! Wasn't the person she killed Callisto???? That feels very not right to me. I seem to remember bonding between those two at some point or other in the comics.


§ ita § - May 27, 2006 7:37:10 am PDT #1872 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

They played fast and loose with the names. I think that was Callisto, but she didn't have the right powers. Technically, Storm did kill Callisto in the comics, or might as well have. But she has a healing factor, and in the end there was some bonding.

I could ignore the slaughter of my favourite woman in the first two, but with the more lines and strange behaviour in X3, it was too much.


Pete, Husband of Jilli - May 27, 2006 8:06:20 am PDT #1873 of 10001
"I've got a gun! I've got a mother-flippin' gun!" - Moss, The IT Crowd

ita, I know you weren't fussed on the Superman Returns trailers so far. Apparently at some showings of X3, an entirely new trailer was shown. Currently the only way to see this online is at this YouTube link.

Me? Still excited to see this film.


Gris - May 27, 2006 8:35:06 am PDT #1874 of 10001
Hey. New board.

I think it's gonna be good. Which annoys me, because I want X-Men 3 to be good, and don't care that Superman will be good, because I don't care a whit about Superman. So I wish Brian Singer had stayed with the X-Men, and let somebody less decent do Superman.

Much like I wish Sam Raimi had done something other than Spider-Man, who I also don't care a whit about. Good movies, but I couldn't love them because Peter and his whole Spidery world just doesn't do it for me. If he was going to do a superhero movie, it should have been Daredevil, maybe. Without Ben. Or a Huntress movie. That would be sweet - Huntress should totally be in the third Batman Begins movie.

Just for the record, I also don't care very much about Wonder Woman, though of course I'll be seeing that movie as well. I do like her more than Supes and Spidey, at least.

But the world likes Spidey, and Supes, so I have to settle for my beloved X-Men getting only two good movies. I can deal.


Kate P. - May 27, 2006 12:51:26 pm PDT #1875 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Just saw X-Men. Good lord, was that a bad script. I enjoyed parts of it, but ultimately it was unsatisfying: the pacing, the characterization, everything felt a little off. I agree with whoever said that it was too much to squish the "cure" plotline and the Phoenix plotline into one movie, and several characters were badly underused (Rogue and Angel, for starters). Not to turn anyone off seeing it, because it's a pretty fun way to spend a couple of hours, but just keep your expectations low.

Oh! And stay through the credits; there's a short scene at the end. Anyone else catch it?


§ ita § - May 27, 2006 2:43:26 pm PDT #1876 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I saw a Superman Returns trailer, Pete. Still, too much whining, not enough "I am the most powerful entity on the planet--but do not fear me" for me. It felt like it was coasting on Superman being an icon. But I think Superman the icon is...limited and flat. And the movie looks like another sort of limited and flat with Abercrombie Fitch models and Kevin Spacey eating the scenery.

Kate, I caught the end scene...it's too much that they apparently killed Cyclops offscreen, killed Jean without attempting to cure her, and castrated Magneto and depowered Mystique. By that point I'm not that concerned with Xavier being in a new body...and is he a mutant still?


kat perez - May 27, 2006 3:47:20 pm PDT #1877 of 10001
"We have trust issues." Mylar

I just saw X Men, too, Kate. I caught the scene at the end because I read in EW that you should stay through the credits. Thought it was one of the highlights of the movie. Don't know how sad I am about that, but there you go.

I will preface this by saying that everything I knew about X Men prior to the movies I learned from watching the cartoon or reading right here on Buffistas. I didn't hate this X Men. I thought it was definitely not as good as the second one, but I'd actually put it pretty much on par with the first. I was annoyed at the death of Cyclops. I thought it was shoddily handled for such a major character from the first two. I also know enough about the Dark Phoenix storyline from the comics from reading here to have been annoyed at the way it came off in the movie. What annoyed the most, though, was that they brought in about ten million new mutants and then none of them really did much of anything. I still don't know the name of that one mutant who could sense other mutants powers, and she played a pretty prominent role in the plot. And the Angel character had maybe two spoken lines in the whole movie. Pretty, though.

However, even given all that, it was an enjoyable way to pass a couple of hours. It was loud and mostly fun and there were a couple of WTF moments (I went in completely unspoiled). Nowhere near as good as the second, though.


§ ita § - May 27, 2006 4:36:35 pm PDT #1878 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I didn't think Angel was pretty either. I thought he looked like an awkward young man, which was fine for the movie character, but insufficient for the comic book character.


kat perez - May 27, 2006 5:10:24 pm PDT #1879 of 10001
"We have trust issues." Mylar

I thought he was pretty enough. Nice torso with the jeans and the wings and all. I don't know.

Nobody in the whole movies was as pretty as Patrick Stewart, anyway, and I'm including Hugh Jackman in that statement. Mmmm, Captain Picard.

I will say that Famke Jensen looked FABULOUS. Just goes to prove that everyone's sexier with a little evil in them.


§ ita § - May 27, 2006 5:26:22 pm PDT #1880 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Mmm. I thought Famke looked terrible. Well, for her. Which is great for most mortal females. She looked tired the whole way through. Hugh looked almost peaked himself. Which, still great.

I think the Angel guy had a great body, for the small and wiry, but he didn't have the beauty I'd gotten from the comic book version.

Disclaimer: ever since I learned that he auditioned for the role, I've been a bit particular.