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§ ita § - Jan 14, 2006 6:00:59 pm PST #4546 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But would they have had sensibilities of our time doing so?


Trudy Booth - Jan 14, 2006 6:04:22 pm PST #4547 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

hey, if mayflower women wrote you could write it as a slave...

which, actually, did happen some (though not necessarily there)

For the record, there were people who contemporaneously protested things like that.

Alexander Hamilton, my favorite founding father.


brenda m - Jan 14, 2006 6:11:57 pm PST #4548 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

But would they have had sensibilities of our time doing so?

Some of them? Not so far off. I'm reaching here, but I used to have a book that - focusing more on the miscegenation laws than the property issue - demonstrated that these things were far from the settled questions that they appear looking back with the perspective of everything that came after. But pre-1800 race matters weren't as - excuse me - black and white as they seemed, or as they later became.

ETA: I'll see if I can dig it up around here somewhere. And I sure as shit wouldn't turn in a paper using that sensibility without appending documentation that I wasn't just pulling this shit out of my ass.


§ ita § - Jan 14, 2006 6:17:53 pm PST #4549 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not debating the existence of vigourous opposition to slavery at the time. Been there, wronte the paper. However, I can't buy a 20th century mindset transplanting itself seamlessly into any debate pre-1800, whether pro or con--too much water under the bridge.


Trudy Booth - Jan 14, 2006 6:24:17 pm PST #4550 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I hate to think what the 20th Century pro arugment might be.


brenda m - Jan 14, 2006 6:24:57 pm PST #4551 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I think it's not impossible, but like I said, I wouldn't want to do it off the cuff. But I didn't mean to sound like I was lecturing.


§ ita § - Jan 14, 2006 6:31:41 pm PST #4552 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think the contexts are too different. Race relations are not what they used to be, even when they're bad. Emancipation, education, civil rights battles, john crow...I attribute them all a huge impact.


Trudy Booth - Jan 14, 2006 6:43:47 pm PST #4553 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Race relations are not what they used to be, even when they're bad

Of course of course, but I think the general conception of "back then" (not your's, ita) doesn't get that, for example, that anti-micegination laws were passed because people WERE miceginating, they were miceginating up a storm.


Spidra Webster - Jan 14, 2006 6:53:12 pm PST #4554 of 10001
I wish I could just go somewhere to get flensed but none of the whaling ships near me take Medicare.

that anti-miscegenation laws were passed because people WERE miscegenating, they were miscegenating up a storm.

That was the most valuable thing I learned from a queer history seminar I took at SFSU. And it applies generally. If governments were passing laws against stuff, it generally means it was going on.


WindSparrow - Jan 14, 2006 6:57:06 pm PST #4555 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

For the record, there were people who contemporaneously protested things like that.

For the record, if I were the teacher who assigned such a project, the letter of protest better sound more like Fox and Penn than King and Kennedy or risk public ridicule.