Well, if we followed the recipe...should be cake. A demon-violence-free-zone cake.

Lorne ,'Why We Fight'


Spike's Bitches 28: For the Safety of Puppies...and Christmas!  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Eddie - Jan 02, 2006 9:37:31 am PST #2782 of 10001
Your tag here.

lesbian in a man's body

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. What does that mean?


DCJensen - Jan 02, 2006 9:37:55 am PST #2783 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

t tips his hat

My pleasure, I'm sure.


Fay - Jan 02, 2006 9:44:24 am PST #2784 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

What does that mean?

That he ate a lesbian?

t sheepish ...well, I must admit that I've occasionally called myself a gay man in a woman's body, on the basis of being camp as tits, loving Judy, Marilyn, Gloria Gaynor et al and having more of a Drag Queen sensibility than a girly sensibility. Um. Oh, and loving gay porn. Um. But I don't want to have any operations. And besides, I fancy girls at least as much as boys. So - not so much with the accuracy. But quite good shorthand for "I'm not just a faghag, dahling, I'm a queen!"

OTOH, the "lesbian in a man's body" assertion sounds a bit like men calling themselves feminists. Which isn't something I entirely discredit, but is the kind of claim that tends to make me raise my eyebrows a little.


erikaj - Jan 02, 2006 9:45:20 am PST #2785 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I don't really know...that's why it's weird so many men find it funny...this particular time I thought an lj-er was a woman and he's not.


Fay - Jan 02, 2006 9:47:00 am PST #2786 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Hang on - wasn't Riley a lesbian?


§ ita § - Jan 02, 2006 9:48:25 am PST #2787 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the "lesbian in a man's body" assertion sounds a bit like men calling themselves feminists

I think it's reasonable (and hopefully common) for men to be feminists. However, I sincerely doubt that many of these men-lesbians actually feel they're a woman in a man's body, and that's where the whole thing fails for me.

I agree with Daniel -- are you having counselling? Taking hormones? Scheduling the operations? No? Then shut the hell up and stop trying to be cute.


amych - Jan 02, 2006 9:49:11 am PST #2788 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

OTOH, the "lesbian in a man's body" assertion sounds a bit like men calling themselves feminists. Which isn't something I entirely discredit, but is the kind of claim that tends to make me raise my eyebrows a little.

This. Whenever I've heard it, it's been in the context of "I really love women! And I totally understand where you're coming from! Why, I practically am one! Only, nsm with the liking dick, because eww..." -- kind of a SNAG for the genderfuck-is-cool generation vibe. If I ever heard it in a fun camp-as-tits way, it might raise my hackles less.


Steph L. - Jan 02, 2006 9:51:03 am PST #2789 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

OTOH, the "lesbian in a man's body" assertion sounds a bit like men calling themselves feminists. Which isn't something I entirely discredit, but is the kind of claim that tends to make me raise my eyebrows a little.

I suspect some guys say it as a bullshit line, like, "Look how funny and witty I am! Don't you want to shag me now?"

But there are other guys -- for instance, Eddie Izzard -- who have some degree of gender dysphoria, and feel that, to some extent, they're the wrong gender. They're still attracted to women, but they also have a very distinct female-gender component to their identity. Depending on the degree of gender dysphoria, they cross-dress -- like Eddie Izzard -- all the way to having gender reassignment surgery.

I don't really understand it, in an oh-I've-felt-that-way-too sense, but I have a *very* close friend who cross-dresses, and it's not a lark for him -- it's a major part of his identity. And he's made the "lesbian in a man's body" line, too.


§ ita § - Jan 02, 2006 9:52:22 am PST #2790 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I had no idea that Izzard had gender issues. I thought he just liked to wear women's clothes. Hmm. I guess I need another idol in the "why not? they're fun!" dressing category.


amych - Jan 02, 2006 9:53:18 am PST #2791 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

And I should add that, Tep, you're quite right when it comes to people with some level of transgender identification. I just wish the smarmy dudes would leave such comments to people who have any clue at all what they're actually saying.