How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious.

Wash ,'Objects In Space'


Natter 41: Why Do I Click on ita's Links?!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


shrift - Jan 04, 2006 12:18:45 pm PST #7487 of 10002
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Fay's reaction to the news about Sharon reminded me that the new Star Wars novel is titled: Star Wars: Dark Lord.

DARTH VOLDEMORT.


tommyrot - Jan 04, 2006 12:21:48 pm PST #7488 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Personally (and no offence) I think our current best chances for a rogue AI will either come out of google projects mating in the dark, or all the Linux distros banding together.

I think that some benign AI program will never go rogue. If we get rogue AI it'll be a result of an espionage program going out of control, or some sort of cyber-warfare system running amok during a cyber-war.

('cyber-war' is so dated. What's the current term for computer warefare (hacking into networks as a military operation)?)


§ ita § - Jan 04, 2006 12:24:07 pm PST #7489 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that some benign AI program will never go rogue

Well, maybe not rogue in the moustache-twirling sort of way (and are you calling Google and Linux benign? Hmmm) but there's no reason for our priorities to be machine priorities. Worried about pollution? Kill most of the humans.


Jessica - Jan 04, 2006 12:28:01 pm PST #7490 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

An AI with independent learning capabilities could easily learn a value system that's not actively hostile to humans, but still problematic. Like, TrafficAI decides one day that red lights don't really do anyone any good, and it's not going to use them anymore. Or GoogleAI and YahooAI get into a long drawn-out argument, and nobody can look anything up online for hours. And suchlike.


tommyrot - Jan 04, 2006 12:32:19 pm PST #7491 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

but there's no reason for our priorities to be machine priorities. Worried about pollution? Kill most of the humans.

OK, I'm venturing further out into conjecture-land, but I think that by the time we get to autonomous commercial AI programs (for example, one that processes insurance claims) that these sort of straightforward AI applications will be well-understood, with clearly-defined limits. For example, an AI that's allowed to access the internet would be forced to abide by correct internet protocols, and would be prohibited from hacking into other computers. And I think we'd be able to understand such programs well enough that we could be sure it was impossible for such a thing to even occur to the AI.

OK, maybe that's rather optimistic of me. But like I said before, an AI that's designed to infiltrate, attack, strategize, take over systems, etc. - I'd be afraid of those. Plus they'd tend to be top-secret, with perhaps little oversight....


Daisy Jane - Jan 04, 2006 12:32:43 pm PST #7492 of 10002
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

The idea of curling up on my cuddle lounge and watching something on TiVo or listening to my iPod while I wirelessly surf the web on my Powerbook while Roomba scoots around and does my vacuuming...hot.

Agreed, but I intend to be watching a movie or surfing the web on Mr. Jane's PSP, or watching something I downloaded on the pod.

I'm quite expert at believing two contradictory things at once. They better not make computers that can do that too.

I think Douglas Adams already thought this one up. It was an electric monk. Of course it turned murderous.


amych - Jan 04, 2006 12:40:26 pm PST #7493 of 10002
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

The idea of curling up on my cuddle lounge and watching something on TiVo or listening to my iPod while I wirelessly surf the web on my Powerbook while Roomba scoots around and does my vacuuming...hot.

AIFG


Topic!Cindy - Jan 04, 2006 12:43:13 pm PST #7494 of 10002
What is even happening?

Damn this waiting around until the kids are old enough to be useful as manual domestic labor... I think I have at least 4 years to wait.
Casper's two-ish, right?

Ha hah aha ha ha ha ha ha aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.


Katie M - Jan 04, 2006 12:55:17 pm PST #7495 of 10002
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

flea, mine are 15 and 12 and they haven't learned to mop. I so fail as a mother.

I'm twenty-nine and the first mother-child spat of my recent visit home (hey, there were only two total) was over floor-mopping, which I did not do adequately.

MOM, LATER: I never taught you to mop a floor, did I?
ME: Not really. I did attend an Ivy League college, though.
MOM, SADLY: Well, there's that.


Daisy Jane - Jan 04, 2006 1:09:40 pm PST #7496 of 10002
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

My mom and I have had that same discussion- not really a spat, but I was telling her that I bought a book on housekeeping. She was all apologetic that she hadn't taught me that, and I told her that she taught me how to read and look something up when I didn't know it, so it all worked out.