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Lost 2: Tied to a Tree in a Jungle of Mystery  

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Topic!Cindy - Jan 27, 2006 1:52:47 am PST #982 of 5968
What is even happening?

I took Ana Lucia's "Are you hittin' that," as a shout-out (intentional or incidental) to Veronica Mars, so it's funny see that VM (which I won't get 'til Saturday) had a little Lost shout-out.

arby, I'm with you on the episode. I was surprised to see all the break-ups it induced (or threatened to) throughout fandom. I watched Wednesday night, and then immediately watched it again. I think it was one of those building sorts of episodes. I don't think of it as filler, because I do think some questions were answered, for example, I no longer think Charlie used any of that heroin, and not just because he told Jack he didn't (but really wanted to), but also because of the scene after he smashed the statue of the Madonna, right before Locke discovered him. He was struggling.

I like Charlie, though. I don't really have a hate-on for any of the characters yet. Well, I don't like Locke, but I love not liking Locke, and he's usually one of the more intriguing elements of the show for me. I'm glad he's one more step out of neutral, too. I don't like Ana Lucia in that I wouldn't have her over for coffee, but I also think she's interesting.

Sawyer's the only one I usually want off my screen, and admittedly, that's personal. He's nearly a clone of the Soul-Sucking Demon I dated in college. And even then, Sawyer had me laughing last night.

The minute Locke punched Charlie he was lost to me.
Punching the fucked up defenseless guy, that's really cool and mysterious. What a tosser.
We are as one, UTTAD.
"Bill, you went out with a Catholic girl one time in high school, right? What's the deal with baptism?"
"Something to do with me going to hell for being a bad kisser. Or for telling people that she was a bad kisser. Either way, her sister was much cuter."
"Good enough! Now, ecclesiastical hierarchies, anyone?"
Heee! You know that's how it went down.

And what little religious instruction Eko did give to Claire (on the purpose of John the Baptist baptising Jesus) was as much Bible fan fic as it was gospel. I didn't write down the line, but the part about it cleansing Jesus of all his sin ain't no Catholic doctrine, and I know that even from all the way over here in Protestantville.

I like Locke being an asshole again, even though it is 180 degrees from how he was last ep - Sinister!Locke is so much more interesting than bland, Neutral!Locke. I think he's got some kind of creepy agenda going on with Claire, like he realizes she and Aaron (does anyone else think of Elvis when you hear that name? okay, just me then) are pivotal to some kind of Island melodrama and is trying to get them in his corner/under his control. I kept thinking about how he made Claire the cradle, seemingly a nice gesture but something weird going on underneath.

You know, I was never a Survivor viewer, but did catch bits and pieces of the first season, and stories about it were everywhere. I keep thinking of Locke as Richard Hatch. And I keep wondering if he's cultivating Claire's trust, so that if need be, he can hand her and/or Aaron off to "The Others" to ensure his own survival.


Nora Deirdre - Jan 27, 2006 3:51:00 am PST #983 of 5968
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

I think Locke is feeling very possessive of Claire and the baby, himself. His actions don't make much sense to me otherwise.

I was wondering about that, and looking at it from a POV that isn't Locke scheming, just being a normal person. He seemed to be close to Walt- could it be that this is the way his reaction to his abduction is manifesting itself? Perhaps thinking that something like that won't happen on his watch?

Or, after being confronted by the numbers/power of the Others the previous day, possibly hedging his bets, as pointed out upthread, to be a position to have access to Aaron to hand him over.

Also, Locke was in Claire's hallucination/dreams referencing the Others, I think, when she was pregnant.

I am hopinghopinghoping that the mysterious Locke motives actually mean something and are going somewhere, and not just bad writing. I'm feeling burned out from Buffy Season 6/7 characterizations, and remembering hoping that the way they were written (Pod!Giles, for instance) were part of the arc, and then just being let down again and again when it was just shown to be inconsistent writing.

But, the liklihood that the Others are going to come for Aaron once he's not as physically dependant on Claire I think is pretty strong, and I wonder who knows it. The Tailies, are probably painfully aware. Walt being gone doesn't seem to have a huge affect on the majority of the other Lostaways, with the exception of Locke (my speculation) and Michael, both of whom have recently exhibited radical character changes.

Maybe this episode didn't suck as much as I originally thought, because it is making me theorize quite a lot.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 27, 2006 6:01:06 am PST #984 of 5968
What is even happening?

I was wondering about that, and looking at it from a POV that isn't Locke scheming, just being a normal person. He seemed to be close to Walt- could it be that this is the way his reaction to his abduction is manifesting itself? Perhaps thinking that something like that won't happen on his watch?
My first interpretation was that Locke was just attached to Claire and Aaron. But the more I thought about it, the harder time I had reconciling that idea, with his complete lack of interest in her kidnapping last season. He was under the hatch's thrall then, of course, but I think he and Boone even let people believe they were looking for Claire, when they weren't.

Of course, he's since gotten to know Claire on a more personal basis, and he may well be predisposed to concern over a fatherless child, too. If we're lucky, his motives are mixed. That level of complexity could make for some good story telling.


Theodosia - Jan 27, 2006 11:04:20 am PST #985 of 5968
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Locke is practically worshiping the Island at this point -- I suppose he looks on the others as Heretics with a capital H.


aurelia - Jan 27, 2006 12:31:35 pm PST #986 of 5968
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Locke likes to think of himself as a strategist, but I don't think he's very good at it. His back story certainly doesn't make him out to be. If he is planning something I don't expect it to work.


Nora Deirdre - Jan 27, 2006 1:24:45 pm PST #987 of 5968
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Locke likes to think of himself as a strategist, but I don't think he's very good at it. His back story certainly doesn't make him out to be.

Heh. I know, right?!


Polter-Cow - Jan 28, 2006 9:38:35 am PST #988 of 5968
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Okay, THAT is hysterical!

Coincidentally enough, Rob's friends Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz wrote this week's episode.

I took Ana Lucia's "Are you hittin' that," as a shout-out (intentional or incidental) to Veronica Mars, so it's funny see that VM (which I won't get 'til Saturday) had a little Lost shout-out.

Oh, heh. Darnell.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 28, 2006 11:36:11 am PST #989 of 5968
What is even happening?

Oh, heh. Darnell.
Yeah. Ask Rob if Kitsis and Horowitz decided to one-up him, because hearing Jack say it was even more awkward and inappropriate than hearing Darnell say it.


Jon B. - Jan 30, 2006 7:43:54 am PST #990 of 5968
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Punching the fucked up defenseless guy, that's really cool and mysterious. What a tosser.

The only thing that might redeem Locke for me... maybe... if it's done well... is if an addict had crossed his path before -- perhaps causing his disability.


aurelia - Jan 30, 2006 11:22:01 am PST #991 of 5968
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

"A friend of mine always says if you don't have something nice to say about someone, let's hear it," said "Lost" co-star Terry O'Quinn, surrounded by fellow cast members. "So about our cast, I'd like to say that this is the saddest collection of climbing, grasping, paranoid, back-stabbing, screen-grabbing losers and schmoozers that you ever saw on your stage in your life. But we love each other very much."