Very convincing. Makes me completely want to put myself under government control. Please take me to where you can make me unconscious and naked.

Riley ,'Help'


Lost 2: Tied to a Tree in a Jungle of Mystery  

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Fern Armstrong - Jun 02, 2010 6:36:29 am PDT #5935 of 5968
TV news psychic

I want to post before I read the recap.

I'm with those in the "emotionally satisfying, intellectually dissatisfying" camp. I pretty much feel like six seasons and I still don't know what the hell the island is all about.

There are so many questions left unanswered, for example, if Jacob and Esau (Samuel?) can't get off the island, how did Jacob get off the island to touch his candidates? Just one question of many.

I would have liked to have seen a discussion on evil as it relates to the island and Smokey. Evil very much exists in the world, so how is it contained? What is the nature of purgatory/flash sideways?

For those who think the island was purgatory, they need to rewatch the pilot (which I did OnDemand after the fanale). I point to Jack. The first day, he's in a suit, and when he runs through the bamboo, we see a white canvass sneaker hanging from a branch. It's clean and fairly new. In the fanale, Jack is in jeans and tee shirt, and the sneaker is still there, but is now dirty and worn. Like it's been hanging there for six years or so.


Polter-Cow - Jun 02, 2010 6:38:36 am PDT #5936 of 5968
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I think only three years or so. Island-Present was 2007 by the end, I believe.


Jon B. - Jun 02, 2010 6:39:34 am PDT #5937 of 5968
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

if Jacob and Esau (Samuel?) can't get off the island

Where was it ever stated, or even implied, that Jacob couldn't leave the island?


Polter-Cow - Jun 02, 2010 6:41:47 am PDT #5938 of 5968
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I think only Smokey was trapped. Hell, Jacob was the one who made it that way, if I recall.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 02, 2010 8:34:12 am PDT #5939 of 5968
What is even happening?

Fern, I think a lot of the people calling the island "Purgatory" don't mean it in the RC doctrine place-you-go-after-death sense. They're being metaphorical, because it's a place in which the Lostaways got to burn off their sins.

Teppy, in one of my early drafts, I really expounded on that idea and then I grossed myself out, so I cut it out and reworked the whole section. I mean, I had a whole riff on Desmond getting * Toxic Shock Syndrome. *

And yeah, Jacob wasn't trapped. I think CJ is the one who told the MiB that he'd never get off the island, though (so I suspect it was her "rule" at first).


le nubian - Jun 02, 2010 2:01:55 pm PDT #5940 of 5968
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Cindy,

unfortunately, there are people who mistook the end of the series as saying that the whole series took place in purgatory.


Fern Armstrong - Jun 02, 2010 2:27:07 pm PDT #5941 of 5968
TV news psychic

I stand corrected on Jacob leaving, thought it was both of them. I think I need to watch from the beginning, and see what makes sense and doesn't. I also missed the end of season three and beginning of four. It's hard to keep track of everything that was said and what happened.

I've also added my own flash-sideways where Sayid works out his conflicted nature and ends up with Nadia. I think he belongs with her rather than Shannon, but in purgatory and heaven, anything's possible. At least in this athiest's version it is.

I realized that flash-sideways was not a "what if" reality, because the lives were too different than what we'd been shown during the flashbacks. There had to be more to it than flight 815 not crashing.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 02, 2010 4:04:58 pm PDT #5942 of 5968
What is even happening?

unfortunately, there are people who mistook the end of the series as saying that the whole series took place in purgatory.

Goobers. Wherever else Lost was vague, Christian's speech to Jack and Jack's on-island death seemed to leave no wiggle room to me.


Steph L. - Jun 02, 2010 4:54:56 pm PDT #5943 of 5968
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Christian's speech to Jack and Jack's on-island death seemed to leave no wiggle room to me.

Then again, Christian was a dead guy. Wearing tennis shoes.

(I actually am totally on board with the island-was-really-real explanation; I just wanted to pick on a fictional dead guy.)


Topic!Cindy - Jun 02, 2010 8:01:42 pm PDT #5944 of 5968
What is even happening?

Plus...how was he wearing the tennis shoes if at least one of them was hanging -- rotting in the tree, at the edge of the beach near the bamboo grove -- AMIRITE?