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Buffy ,'Showtime'


Lost 2: Tied to a Tree in a Jungle of Mystery  

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Topic!Cindy - May 13, 2010 6:53:06 am PDT #5699 of 5968
What is even happening?

Someone mentioned on twitter that it was shown out of order. Apparently it was supposed to be shown earlier in the season. That would have made more sense. But yes, it would have worked better as interspersed scenes.

I wonder if that was a wishful-thinking tweet. This episode aired when planned, according to Alan Sepinwall's interview with Damon and Carlton:

[Q:]Even some people who were positive about the episode last night objected to or questioned its placement this late in the season, right after this big episode where so many characters died and right before the final hours. And at times I and other people have wondered about whether Desmond should have more prominently appeared in the sideways universe sooner, or if we needed to spend as much time in the Temple as we did, etc. Looking back over the season now, how do you feel about how you placed things and about certain landmarks. Did they have to be at the particular parts of the season where they occured?

CC: We told the story the way we wanted to. Like David Chase, we tried to make the show to entertain the audience. That was our primary goal. We kind of planned this episode to come at this period of time because we actually wanted to take a break after the deaths of these major characters. It felt like this was the perfect time to take a time out from the main narrative. And since this was the final big mythological episode that we were going to do, we felt like it was a good placement for it, and now we'll roll into the finale. We make no apologies. We planned this to be the way it is. Again, it is funny, because there are a lot of people who are very happy with the show, there's going to be a very vocal group of people who are not happy, and that just kind of comes with the territory. We're making the show the best way we know how to make it, and we stand by it, and we're excited about how it ends and how the journey's unfolded.

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Polter-Cow - May 13, 2010 6:59:06 am PDT #5700 of 5968
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

That works too.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - May 13, 2010 6:59:45 am PDT #5701 of 5968
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

I wonder if that was a wishful-thinking tweet.

Sounds like it, given the interview. Interesting. It certainly would have worked better earlier in the season. I see the point Cuse is making about why they put it there, but it felt like very awkward timing. I still liked the episode, all the same.


Polter-Cow - May 13, 2010 8:29:59 am PDT #5702 of 5968
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Heh, that was a nice interview.


-t - May 13, 2010 8:41:28 am PDT #5703 of 5968
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

So, all that was supposed to be several thousand years ago? I did not get that. I actually thought that this episode was telling me that Jacob was a lot more recent than I had previously believed.


Frankenbuddha - May 13, 2010 8:54:17 am PDT #5704 of 5968
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

So, all that was supposed to be several thousand years ago? I did not get that. I actually thought that this episode was telling me that Jacob was a lot more recent than I had previously believed.

I read somewhere that the game Jacob and Smokey were playing was Senet which was an acient Egyptian game (Wikipedia says it may be the oldest board game that we know about, something I also remember Laurence Olivier's character in Sleuth mentioning).


Dana - May 13, 2010 8:55:05 am PDT #5705 of 5968
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

They were speaking Latin at the beginning, weren't they?


le nubian - May 13, 2010 9:02:26 am PDT #5706 of 5968
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Given that they spoke Latin and referred to the use of ships, etc., that a game from Egypt was on the ship, the time this took place could be anywhere from around 400 BCE to the 5th century, I guess.

I'm not sure if anyone can narrow it down further from that. I just don't think we have more clues on which to narrow.


-t - May 13, 2010 9:06:15 am PDT #5707 of 5968
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Could have been. Which still puts it not as ancient as I was thinking before, so, maybe I just overcorrected in the recent direction.

I'm trying to pin down why I had that misapprehension and I can't, really. Probably just me getting it wrong


Hayden - May 13, 2010 9:19:11 am PDT #5708 of 5968
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Well, the mummification of the corpses was a counter-indicator of the episode's "meanwhile, two thousand years ago..." approach. They should have been nothing but dust after all that time exposed to the elements.