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Lost 2: Tied to a Tree in a Jungle of Mystery  

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Sean K - Feb 23, 2006 4:46:02 pm PST #1270 of 5968
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

A mere plan would have made it better.

Honestly, I think they've had at least this much this whole time. Maybe even not more than a single page of bullet point summarizing their vague ideas, but I think they've met at least this minimum from the beginning.

I know some people may feel otherwise, but it's the reason Javi was hired in the first place -- to help develop long term arcs for the show when the pilot hadn't been written yet -- so they were at least somewhat thinking long term.


§ ita § - Feb 23, 2006 5:03:16 pm PST #1271 of 5968
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, if they had a plan, they must not like it much. Because they say stuff in public and then contradict themselves and don't follow up, etc.


Sean K - Feb 23, 2006 5:26:51 pm PST #1272 of 5968
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Well, if they had a plan, they must not like it much. Because they say stuff in public and then contradict themselves and don't follow up, etc.

I don't know what this specifically refers to, so I can't comment to that, but I'm not one to necessarily hold something a writer says publically about intended show direction too much against them. It's writing, and TV writing in particular. I'm not saying they're not playing extremely fast and loose with their "plan," or that the show ultimately adds up to something wicked cool and well thought out, but I would at least give them the benefit of the doubt when they say there's a direction they're going in.

ETA: That last sentence sucks, but I don't have time to reword it.


§ ita § - Feb 23, 2006 5:35:48 pm PST #1273 of 5968
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I would at least give them the benefit of the doubt when they say there's a direction they're going in.

Over the word of one of the writers that said there was in fact no plan?


Jesse - Feb 23, 2006 6:08:52 pm PST #1274 of 5968
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Speaking only from my own experience as someone who has twice done interstate moves with no map, I can tell you there's a huge difference between knowing what direction you're going in, and having an actual plan.


Sean K - Feb 23, 2006 9:31:53 pm PST #1275 of 5968
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Over the word of one of the writers that said there was in fact no plan?

Is there some reason we should be believing Mr. Fury more than the writers who didn't leave the show? Frankly, the circumstances under which those comments were made robbed them of any validity I might have otherwise been inclined to give them. But at this point, aren't we just arguing over which writer we like more, and hence should give more trust?


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2006 4:09:47 am PST #1276 of 5968
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not sure I like any of the Lost writers. However, the cranky bastard has a crusty truth-telling rep going for him, as well as the other writers contradicting themselves in public.

I seem to recall (but can't substantiate) that the objection to what Fury said was "You can't talk about that in public!" as much as or more than "Liar!"


IAmNotReallyASpring - Feb 24, 2006 5:12:50 am PST #1277 of 5968
I think Freddy Quimby should walk out of here a free hotel

My best friend writes for Canadian TV, and I've heard her talk about pre-pickup show bibles. And they're certainly not throwing around the luchre.

I can't speak about Canadian writers. In my part of the world, show bibles are par for the course too; they're just not extensive. Rudimentary sketches of the premise, the main characters and the their relationships are enough to fill it out.

The reason so little work goes into a show bible here is because from the time of conceiving the idea to the time of getting the commission a writer is usually paid only once, when the production company options the pilot. That's somewhere in the region of 1,500 euros (1,800 dollars). That's not enough pay to be expecting a series worth of ideas from a writer, for that you get the pilot, the bible, meetings when they're wanted and criticisms addressed. The writer spends the rest of his or her time working on a play, or something, to make ends meet.


Jon B. - Feb 24, 2006 6:10:17 am PST #1278 of 5968
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Lost revives Irish novel interest


Hayden - Feb 24, 2006 6:28:59 am PST #1279 of 5968
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Well, something good came out of all of this.