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Spike's Bitches 27: I'm Embarrassed for Our Kind.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


SuziQ - Dec 07, 2005 7:45:10 am PST #8312 of 10003
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

I just did my job as a consumer and bought K-Bug an iPod. I was going to go through Amazon, but they are "backordered" and it wouldn't be sent until January. Going through Apple, I get it in a week with free shipping. I'm having "Princess K-Bug Rocks" etched on it (but with her real name, duh).


DebetEsse - Dec 07, 2005 7:45:26 am PST #8313 of 10003
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Well, Christmas is, what, second on the list for Christianity? Maybe third? The thing that's always talked about, IME, is that the reason we know about Hanukkah is that it's around Christmas time, not because it's a big!huge!Jewish!holiday! I can't speak to Kwanzaa as much. That's how I read it, trying to be charitable. It's likely I'm being too charitable.


Jessica - Dec 07, 2005 7:45:37 am PST #8314 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Wow. And the thing is, the dude who said this? Very likely has NO idea how insulting it is.

I can't speak for Kwanzaa, but Hannukah is a minor Jewish holiday whose importance has been inflated in America because its enough like Christmas (happens in winter + gifts) to be conflated into the same shopping frenzy. So for me, that was actually the only *non*-insulting thing in there.

Of course, that's in a religous sense. In a commercial sense, Hannukah is WAY more important because we have gifts for 8 days instead of 1.


Calli - Dec 07, 2005 7:45:45 am PST #8315 of 10003
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

What does Target think people are buying? They're buying Christmas gifts, not holiday gifts.

I am a person. And I am not buying Christmas gifts, I'm buying holiday gifts. Most of which will go to Christians, but still.

I'm getting pretty sick of being told I'm not a person.


Gris - Dec 07, 2005 7:48:43 am PST #8316 of 10003
Hey. New board.

happens in winter + gifts

Weren't even the gifts a somewhat recent addition to the Hannukah celebration, added in for this very reason?


Amy - Dec 07, 2005 7:49:31 am PST #8317 of 10003
Because books.

I didn't know much about Kwanzaa, so I Googled it.


Jessica - Dec 07, 2005 7:50:04 am PST #8318 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Kind of, yeah. I mean, gelt is traditional, iPods, nsm.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 07, 2005 7:50:40 am PST #8319 of 10003
What is even happening?

"You want our money, but you don't want to acknowledge why we're spending our money."

But why should they? They serve people celebrating-- special sales, Christmas decorations and cards with a religious theme, books with a religious theme--why do they have to do any more than that?

Well, again, it's not my thing, but where are you getting the "should" out of this?

The people who aren't going to shop there (I think except for the diehards in any cause, boycotts are more often than not a lot of lip service and press, with a lot of people still running out and buying what they need, in a convenient place with a decent price, and an "Oh, I didn't have a choice, so I'll make an exception for this one purchase," sort of attitude) are pretty much saying, "It seems you don't want to target our market, so we'll shop elsewhere." I don't see any "should" situation, really.

Retailers spend millions, targeting their market(s). 75-80% of the country is supposedly Christian. I've read (I've no idea if it is accurate) that 95% of Americans celebrate not generic winter holidays, but Christmas, specifically. If that's so, why would a retailer choose not to market at least some of their "holiday" sales to people who celebrate Christmas?


Fred Pete - Dec 07, 2005 7:52:05 am PST #8320 of 10003
Ann, that's a ferret.

Now wait a minute. You're saying there's a connection between Donald Wildmon and Voldemort?


Amy - Dec 07, 2005 7:53:23 am PST #8321 of 10003
Because books.

Now wait a minute. You're saying there's a connection between Donald Wildmon and Voldemort?

Snerk.