What you did to me was unbelievable, Connor. But then I got stuck in a hell dimension by my girlfriend one time for a hundred years, so three months under the ocean actually gave me perspective. Kind of a M.C. Escher perspective, but I did get time to think.

Angel ,'Conviction (1)'


Spike's Bitches 27: I'm Embarrassed for Our Kind.  

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Steph L. - Dec 07, 2005 6:03:01 am PST #8249 of 10003
I look more rad than Lutheranism

What I find funny is that the fundies are essentially demanding that Christmas should be made even more commercialized.

I'm missing how this is so.

Basically, the fundies are boycotting businesses (like Target) who say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas." They feel that Christmas is being given the shaft and refuse to shop at such a godless store. Instead, they will only patronize businesses that wish their customers a "Merry Christmas."

How is that demanding that Christmas become *more* commercialized? Do you mean that just in the sense that the celebration of the birth of Christ is being formally linked to shopping?


Gris - Dec 07, 2005 6:04:24 am PST #8250 of 10003
Hey. New board.

I don't know what to celebrate this year, in my head. Christian Christmas for my parents' sake? Secular Christmas to fit with the country? Channukah for Gershwin Girl? Ignore the holidays entirely except to buy Christmas presents for my family?

It's an extra-confusing time of year for a religiously conflicted agnostic.


tommyrot - Dec 07, 2005 6:06:04 am PST #8251 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I don't know what to celebrate this year, in my head.

Oh crap! That reminds me - I forgot to mail out my "Happy Pearl Harbor Day" cards....


Cashmere - Dec 07, 2005 6:06:18 am PST #8252 of 10003
Now tagless for your comfort.

It's an extra-confusing time of year for a religiously conflicted agnostic.

Amen.


Emily - Dec 07, 2005 6:07:52 am PST #8253 of 10003
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Some Christians, on the other hand, dislike Christmas being used as a sales tool and secularized to the point of irrelevance. Those (just as devout) people are very happy not to have flyers touting "Birth of Christ two-day sale! Mary and Joseph would have bought their toasters here!"


amych - Dec 07, 2005 6:08:40 am PST #8254 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Gris, stick to celebrating food and gifties and gathering together for good times with people (and possibly peeps, if you can find them out of season) you love and worshiping whatever makes you feel genuinely worshipful; if anyone tries to boycott you for it, smack 'em with a herring.


Cashmere - Dec 07, 2005 6:09:46 am PST #8255 of 10003
Now tagless for your comfort.

I got up and got us out early today. We went to an upscale mall so Owen could play in their play area. I also found the only Sephora in town. I'm DOOMED. DOOMED!

If there was a Starbucks at their foodcourt, I'd still be there.


Fred Pete - Dec 07, 2005 6:10:27 am PST #8256 of 10003
Ann, that's a ferret.

When I was growing up, we used Happy Holidays even though we were in a very conservative, Christian area. We didn't know any Jewish people, or atheists, for that matter.

My mother had jobs that involved a lot of customer contact in a pretty conservative Christian area. She would say "Happy Holidays" from early November to the end of the year. To bring Thanksgiving into the picture.

Ignore the holidays entirely except to buy Christmas presents for my family?

Well, don't ignore New Year's. Which "Merry Christmas" does.


Jessica - Dec 07, 2005 6:10:52 am PST #8257 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Do you mean that just in the sense that the celebration of the birth of Christ is being formally linked to shopping?

I'm confused by the word "just" here


Steph L. - Dec 07, 2005 6:12:30 am PST #8258 of 10003
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Do you mean that just in the sense that the celebration of the birth of Christ is being formally linked to shopping?

I'm confused by the word "just" here

I used it because the link to shopping was the only thing I could think of, and I was wondering if there were other reasons I hadn't thought of, in addition to the Christ = shopping link.