I don't fancy spending the next month trying to get librarian out of the carpet.

Spike ,'Chosen'


Spike's Bitches 27: I'm Embarrassed for Our Kind.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Kat - Nov 18, 2005 8:56:33 am PST #5567 of 10003
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

THANK you! I kept think Andre, but I knew it was wrong. you rock.


P.M. Marc - Nov 18, 2005 8:59:11 am PST #5568 of 10003
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

WOO!

My friend had her baby this morning! I'm so freaking excited, even though I won't get to see them until tomorrow.

I'll have to bring them chocolate. She brought us chocolate, and it's the in-hospital gift I remember most fondly.


Cass - Nov 18, 2005 9:06:00 am PST #5569 of 10003
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Whoooo hoo for the good news, Plei.

Am off to shower, pack and pick up DebetEsse. Then off to Joshua Tree for us.


Aims - Nov 18, 2005 9:07:44 am PST #5570 of 10003
Shit's all sorts of different now.

ita, people try to tell you Jamaica is NOT a third world country?


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2005 9:10:12 am PST #5571 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

people try to tell you Jamaica is NOT a third world country?

The last two times I said it. "Isn't it more like...a second world country?"

Which is a plain daft thing to say. Especially to a Jamaican. Apparently we don't get enough famine press to count.


Aims - Nov 18, 2005 9:12:37 am PST #5572 of 10003
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Now I have to ask, is there a "second world" qualification? What are the qualifiers? Obviously it goes beyond poverty and access to the internets. Is it GNP? National debt? I'm very curious.


Miracleman - Nov 18, 2005 9:12:55 am PST #5573 of 10003
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Apparently we don't get enough famine press to count.

Jamaica needs a new PR firm. And some catchy new slogans.

Something like "The tourists eat all our food."

Or

"You know what else gives you the munchies? Famine."


beth b - Nov 18, 2005 9:13:44 am PST #5574 of 10003
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I think ita and typo boy have hit on the 2 problems in schools 1) time and 2) the importance of education

but I have a loooong list of things to do . and I should do some of them.... and I will think about saying something with coherence and depth later.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2005 9:21:09 am PST #5575 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Now I have to ask, is there a "second world" qualification?

There is/was. And it's not a gradation. First world means what you'd think, third world is developing countries, and second world was the communist countries. However, it has seemed clear that every time someone was suggesting Jamaica was second world what they meant was "Well, poorer than us, but not that bad, really."

I think these days it's developed country, developing country, and there's a whole semantic tangle involved with "underdeveloped" or "least developed" or whatever.


Laura - Nov 18, 2005 9:22:50 am PST #5576 of 10003
Our wings are not tired.

I've always heard good things about Jamaican schools here. My Jamaican friends were educated in Florida and their parents have expressed the opinion that their schools were better/harder/more disciplined. Don't know if it was just parental opinion.

One of my college professors had the following on his wall:

"Young people nowadays love luxury; they have bad manners and contempt for authority. They show disrespect for old people and love silly talk in place of exercise. They no longer stand up when older people enter the room; they contradict their parents, talk constantly in front of company, gobble their food and tyrannize their teachers." Socrates 400 B.C.

I don't know if the quote is accurate, but I do believe that through the ages adults have seen young people this way.