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Spike's Bitches 27: I'm Embarrassed for Our Kind.  

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askye - Nov 16, 2005 12:01:33 pm PST #5115 of 10003
Thrive to spite them

Florida just passed a similiar seatbelt law. I know that before if you got your belt on before they stopped you the police generally wouldn't ticket you for not wearing a seatbelt but a coworker got pulled over for both speeding and not wearing a seatbelt and the fine was pretty steep.


Gris - Nov 16, 2005 12:02:11 pm PST #5116 of 10003
Hey. New board.

I have cheated once or twice, including once in college (I looked something up in a book on a closed-book take-home final). I did not turn myself in, though maybe I should have, and thus got an A- instead of the B+ I deserved in the class. Of course, since the class was graded using a scale decided before the final I chose (it was curved, but only using data from before the final), I technically may not have even committed an honor code violation, as nobody in the Caltech community was really taken advantage of - not that that makes it morally right. I never did it again, however, so my self-guilt taught me my lesson.

Had I been caught and turned in, the most likely result would have been me confessing, and either having the questions I looked up counted off (which might have dropped me to a B, but probably still a B+, in the class) or having to take the final again. For a first offense like that, there would have been no punitive damages to speak of, and it certainly wouldn't have gone on any sort of record. My GPA would have been mostly unharmed, and I would never have cheated again.

The reasonableness of that is why I wouldn't feel guilt for turning in others, as Strega says above. We had a good system going, and people who are cheating for complicated reasons that I can't judge, well, that would get taken into account by the Board of Control. If I went to a school with a no-compromises one-cheat-and-you're-out policy, I would never dream of reporting anybody, ever. At that stage, you're living in a fascist regime and you fight against it. I did fight against many other policy decisions at Tech, but it was all behavioral - the honor code itself was never something i felt any qualms about fighting for.


brenda m - Nov 16, 2005 12:02:33 pm PST #5117 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

In California they can pull you over for being beltless. Been

Wow, that could play havoc with your master plans.


Jessica - Nov 16, 2005 12:04:40 pm PST #5118 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I thought it was weird that, for a time or in some places, you wouldn't get smacked down for being beltless unless you'd aroused the cop's suspicion some other way.

Really? I mean, by law, or just because it's kind of hard to tell if someone's beltless unless you pull them over for reckless driving first?


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2005 12:06:15 pm PST #5119 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I mean, by law, or just because it's kind of hard to tell if someone's beltless unless you pull them over for reckless driving first?

In Michigan, it was by law, because I remember bitching at the idea of changing it, that it might be a way for cops to nose their way into people's cars and find evidence of other stuff.

Which just makes me go @@ and suggest the criminals put on their seat belts.


Emily - Nov 16, 2005 12:07:23 pm PST #5120 of 10003
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Griswold, that's a remarkably level-headed policy. However, closed-book take-home test? What the hell?


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2005 12:08:12 pm PST #5121 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Aha. I found more.

To encourage the use of seat belts, states have passed laws to let cops pull over unbelted drivers. To encourage passage of those laws there is a federal incentive of $500 million.

By Jan Goehring

Buckle up. It's the law," say the roadside signs. And it's true, it is the law in every state except New Hampshire. In some states, however, the signs could read: "Buckle up or get pulled over," reflecting a move toward stronger enforcement of seat belt laws.

In most states a driver must commit some kind of moving violation before he can be cited for failure to wear a seat belt. But "primary" or "standard" seat belt laws enacted in at least 16 states and the District of Columbia now allow police officers to pull a driver over when they notice that she is not wearing a seat belt. More than 20 states considered legislation this past year to strengthen seat belt laws. The laws are designed to increase seat belt use and decrease deaths and injuries on the roads.

Opponents object to primary enforcement on the grounds that it is too much government intrusion into our lives, and that drivers should be allowed to make their own decisions about wearing seat belts. Others are concerned that it will give police another way to harass minorities by stopping vehicles on the pretext of belt violations.


Vortex - Nov 16, 2005 12:09:42 pm PST #5122 of 10003
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I know UVA makes a Very Big (and Pooh-Cased) Deal out of theirs in the same way a lot of smaller schools do -- part of the school's identity and tradition and the Jefferson thing yadda yadda -- but not having gone there, I can't say much about how it actually plays.

I can, I went there. I appreciated the Honor Code, and still remember it "on my honor, I have neither given nor received aid on this exam". Technically, you were also supposed to report any knowledge of someone else cheating. It is student run, and if a professor has an allegation of cheating, they must report it to the student run Honor Committee, and the Committee takes it from there.

it was a nice thing in college. I didn't have to take tests in a cramped lecture hall with 300 mouth breathers, I could go take the test under a tree on the lawn if I wanted. I literally got a final that was a folder over piece of paper that was stapled shut. the professor said "take it whenever you want to, it's closed book, take 3 hours, and make sure that it's in my mailbox by 5PM on the 15th" It was nice, the trust. It was a shock when I went to law school and was required to put my backpack against the wall before I took an exam.

There was actually a hyooge scandal a few years ago, where a physics professor did a comparison of papers for a "how things work" class, and about 100 people got busted. The committee investigated and prosecuted all of the offenses, and some people did not graduate. UVA's honor code is single sanction -- if you're guilty, you're out.


brenda m - Nov 16, 2005 12:10:15 pm PST #5123 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Anyone know what the font name for the typical college shirt, a la this [link] is?


Vortex - Nov 16, 2005 12:11:28 pm PST #5124 of 10003
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

brenda, I've seen it called "college"