Book: Yes, I'd forgotten you're moonlighting as a criminal mastermind now. Got your next heist planned? Simon: No. But I'm thinking about growing a big black mustache. I'm a traditionalist.

'War Stories'


Spike's Bitches 27: I'm Embarrassed for Our Kind.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2005 12:06:15 pm PST #5119 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I mean, by law, or just because it's kind of hard to tell if someone's beltless unless you pull them over for reckless driving first?

In Michigan, it was by law, because I remember bitching at the idea of changing it, that it might be a way for cops to nose their way into people's cars and find evidence of other stuff.

Which just makes me go @@ and suggest the criminals put on their seat belts.


Emily - Nov 16, 2005 12:07:23 pm PST #5120 of 10003
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Griswold, that's a remarkably level-headed policy. However, closed-book take-home test? What the hell?


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2005 12:08:12 pm PST #5121 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Aha. I found more.

To encourage the use of seat belts, states have passed laws to let cops pull over unbelted drivers. To encourage passage of those laws there is a federal incentive of $500 million.

By Jan Goehring

Buckle up. It's the law," say the roadside signs. And it's true, it is the law in every state except New Hampshire. In some states, however, the signs could read: "Buckle up or get pulled over," reflecting a move toward stronger enforcement of seat belt laws.

In most states a driver must commit some kind of moving violation before he can be cited for failure to wear a seat belt. But "primary" or "standard" seat belt laws enacted in at least 16 states and the District of Columbia now allow police officers to pull a driver over when they notice that she is not wearing a seat belt. More than 20 states considered legislation this past year to strengthen seat belt laws. The laws are designed to increase seat belt use and decrease deaths and injuries on the roads.

Opponents object to primary enforcement on the grounds that it is too much government intrusion into our lives, and that drivers should be allowed to make their own decisions about wearing seat belts. Others are concerned that it will give police another way to harass minorities by stopping vehicles on the pretext of belt violations.


Vortex - Nov 16, 2005 12:09:42 pm PST #5122 of 10003
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I know UVA makes a Very Big (and Pooh-Cased) Deal out of theirs in the same way a lot of smaller schools do -- part of the school's identity and tradition and the Jefferson thing yadda yadda -- but not having gone there, I can't say much about how it actually plays.

I can, I went there. I appreciated the Honor Code, and still remember it "on my honor, I have neither given nor received aid on this exam". Technically, you were also supposed to report any knowledge of someone else cheating. It is student run, and if a professor has an allegation of cheating, they must report it to the student run Honor Committee, and the Committee takes it from there.

it was a nice thing in college. I didn't have to take tests in a cramped lecture hall with 300 mouth breathers, I could go take the test under a tree on the lawn if I wanted. I literally got a final that was a folder over piece of paper that was stapled shut. the professor said "take it whenever you want to, it's closed book, take 3 hours, and make sure that it's in my mailbox by 5PM on the 15th" It was nice, the trust. It was a shock when I went to law school and was required to put my backpack against the wall before I took an exam.

There was actually a hyooge scandal a few years ago, where a physics professor did a comparison of papers for a "how things work" class, and about 100 people got busted. The committee investigated and prosecuted all of the offenses, and some people did not graduate. UVA's honor code is single sanction -- if you're guilty, you're out.


brenda m - Nov 16, 2005 12:10:15 pm PST #5123 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Anyone know what the font name for the typical college shirt, a la this [link] is?


Vortex - Nov 16, 2005 12:11:28 pm PST #5124 of 10003
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

brenda, I've seen it called "college"


tommyrot - Nov 16, 2005 12:12:05 pm PST #5125 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Opponents object to primary enforcement on the grounds that it is too much government intrusion into our lives, and that drivers should be allowed to make their own decisions about wearing seat belts.

That's always the argument I heard when Wisconsin was considering such a law. The same argument is made against mandatory motorcycle helmet laws.

Which when you think about it is weird, as an unbelted driver of a car is still gonna be far safer than a helmeted person riding a motorcycle, so why not ban motorcycles? Or convertibles, as you could fly out of one in an accident or get crushed if it rolls over?


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2005 12:14:25 pm PST #5126 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If the law is on the books, the decision's being taken out of a driver's hands. Just because you can't get busted for just that infraction doesn't make it not an infraction. Laws that don't get enforced (or are irregularly enforced) annoy me. Tidy up the freaking books, willya?


Ginger - Nov 16, 2005 12:16:46 pm PST #5127 of 10003
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

My school:

The Vanderbilt Honor System was instituted in 1875 with the first final examinations administered by the University. Dean Madison Sarratt summarized the system as follows: "Let every individual who contemplates entering Vanderbilt University ask himself first this important question: Am I strong enough to give my word of honor and then live up to it in spite of every temptation that may arise? If you can answer this question in the affirmative, Vanderbilt University will welcome you and will promise the cooperation of every person here in helping you realize this ideal of integrity implied in your answer."

A student's personal integrity then, as now, was presumed to be sufficient assurance that in academic matters one did one's own work without unauthorized help from any other source.

Seat belts aren't only for the protection of the person wearing them. In the case of the driver, they keep the driver behind the wheel, giving him a better chance of steering the car.


-t - Nov 16, 2005 12:17:17 pm PST #5128 of 10003
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I have skipped and skimmed like one of those little birds that flies an inch or two above the water, occasionally dipping down to scarf up and insect. I think that this is a real creature and not just an image my brain made up. Anyway, it appears that you have all been going on having lives and crises and triumphs while I was wrapped up in my own drama and not paying attention. Brackets and congratulations and compliments as they should be apportioned over the last, I-don't-even-know-how-long-it's-been.

My folks just got high-speed internet service, so i will most likely be around quite a bit more often. My goal for today is to not spend all day catching up on my internet addictions diversions, but achieve some progress in decreasing the entropy of my immediate environment. Achievable, but a challenge. A good goal.

Ooh, I can be on topic. My school had a very serious honor code that we discussed all the time among ourselves - what it covered, how best to handle violations, etc etc. We had non-proctored exams, collaborative homework, and take-home closed book timed exams. We were treated as adults. If anyone violated that code, the whole system wouldn't have worked, and damn straight that person would have been turned in if I knew about it. It appears (from what I have learned from reading alumni bulletins and suchlike) that the code has been watered down and there is more supervision of today's students. This makes me (a) very sad and (b) less likely to ever donate to my school. Also, going to grad schools in environments that did not have such honor codes was very weird to me - all the proctoring and different copies of the same exam distributed to the class to prevent cheating all made me feel like I was back in high school and that the whole experience of school was to be taken less seriously than when I was an undergrad.