It worked out for the best. I got out of the FAC environment, and my family did too.

Hec went to a VERY LIBERAL liberal arts college, IIRC.

Not politically, but it had an extreme hands-off administrative approach when I was there.

FWIW, I did know every single person in my graduating class by name, and over the course of 4 years had socialized or taken classes with probably 90% of them. I certainly did feel a loyalty to my classmates, which was reinforced by my experience there. But I also felt a strong loyalty to my school and its academic standards, and to my professors. I never cheated on anything in college for the simple reason that I respected all of my professors (even the ones I didn't like particularly).

At Tech, the honor code was one line "No member of the Caltech community shall take unfair advantage of any other member of the Caltech community."

This covered cheating, specifically, as nearly everything is graded on a curve AND nearly every student wants to go to grad school, so the grades actually mattered. Thus, cheating is an unfair advantage, almost always. In most cases, not reporting an honor code violation is ALSO an honor code violation.

The honor code did NOT cover, however, underage drinking, which was covered by institute policy only. There were also other things covered under policy that were not generally considered honor code violations, but this was the big one.

The honor code was enforced by a student-only committee, while institute policies were enforced by a different committee with representation from students, administrators, and faculty.

Pegging self worth to grades is one of the worst things smart people do to themselves. I think it's really destructive.

Interestingly, I'm writing a paper on this right now. Attaching importance to grades is not always about self-worth, though: grades really can affect futures, as my friends who didn't get into grad school can attest.

And I should say that people regularly copied my answers in high school without my permission. I finally got tired of one cheerleader doing it, so on a test I put down wrong answers, made sure she copied them, turned in my test, waited for her to turn in hers, then grabbed mine back and changed my answers.

She got a 30-something. I got a 95.

She never tried to copy off me ever again.

Attaching importance to grades is not always about self-worth, though: grades really can affect futures, as my friends who didn't get into grad school can attest.

That's true. Grades are not meaningless - particularly in the sciences.

Did you ever turn anybody in for cheating, Gris? Would you have?

I have nothing much to add, except w/r/t:

Who would hire a graduate of Cheaters State University?

There was an article in the Washington Post a couple years ago pointing out how many high-level federal employees (director of DHS was cited) stated on their resumes (or SF-171s) that they'd attended colleges they hadn't. Some of the colleges didn't exist. One was a mail-order degree place: you sent them money, they sent you a degree.

So, we the taxpayers would.

She never tried to copy off me ever again.

Yeah, but that's frontier justice and crafty.

One of my fellow law students told me about the "the flying V" in which the smartest person on his (undergrad) hockey team would study for a subject and everyone else would sit behind that anchor man and copy his answers. The answers would be copied all the way to the back of the V.

I think grades also make a difference when you are looking for your first post-college job. Once you've been in the workplace for awhile, not so much.

I'm bummed. I can't seem to be happy. Marriage problems just keep pulling me down. If not for that, I'd be in a great mood most of the time.

A UCLA student was telling me that they now have to submit their papers online to a multi-university clearing house site that analyses the essays and compares them to papers (on that topic only? don't know) written by students all over the counry before giving them the "original work" thumbs up. She's not that trusting of the computer's ability to tell, but I can see where the institution cares, and not just for their own petty Fascist reasons, that cheating isn't happening.

And I don't see what's wrong with caring about what the institution cares about.