I wanna die in bed surrounded by fat grandchildren, but guess that's off the menu.

Jenny ,'Bring On The Night'


Spike's Bitches 27: I'm Embarrassed for Our Kind.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Trudy Booth - Nov 16, 2005 10:16:40 am PST #5063 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Oh fuck that shit, Trudy. An Honor Code is as insulting as a Vow of Allegiance to me. I think it's a complete abdication of ethical responsibility. I'd never let any institution dictate what my moral choices are. I'm sure there's a Firm Email Policy you had to sign to get hired that you haven't followed to the strict letter.

An honor code is closer to a firm's confidentiality statement, imho.

And, no, I don't use firm email for personal matters. (though I didn't sign anything that stringent here)


Emily - Nov 16, 2005 10:17:17 am PST #5064 of 10003
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Booted from the class, or in some cases the university altogether? No, I'm sorry. Cheating is a serious matter, but I don't think zero tolerance is any more effective or fair in classrooms than it is in courts.

You know, they're all big talk, but it turns out quite often that kids who get kicked out end up back in (often because their parents threatened to sue).

Anyway, I see a continuum. Cheating on a lab report -- I agree, booted from the class seems on the harsh side, and kicked from the university probably too much (in most circumstances) -- especially since sometimes what's happened is slippage from discussing an assignment with their peers to working on it together to copying. But what about students who turn in term papers that are absolutely not their work?


vw bug - Nov 16, 2005 10:17:21 am PST #5065 of 10003
Mostly lurking...

I've been kicked out of a college for not following the code of conduct that I signed.


Frankenbuddha - Nov 16, 2005 10:17:24 am PST #5066 of 10003
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

"Cheating is bad. Richard Basehart is good."


Emily - Nov 16, 2005 10:20:16 am PST #5067 of 10003
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

...which was patently unfair, though, you have to admit. (to vw)


vw bug - Nov 16, 2005 10:21:09 am PST #5068 of 10003
Mostly lurking...

Well, yes, since said breakage happened the summer before I signed the code of conduct. But, they didn't think that made any difference.


dw - Nov 16, 2005 10:21:20 am PST #5069 of 10003
Silence means security silence means approval

I'd turn them in, because their cheating is devaluing my degree. Their cheating could get found out later, and the resulting scandal will lead to no end of the sniggering about whether my degree has value or not. I mean, I've watched my alma mater get slammed over the last year for the football player rape scandals, the Ward Churchill debacle, all sorts of money scandals, and the eventual departure of the leadership of the school. All of that has diminished the value of my degree, probably more so than picking up another Nobel and another McArthur and a few more Fulbrights.

I say, report 'em. This is different from a family who is cheating ADC to stay alive on their minimum wage income and crushing medical expenses. You can't eat a test.


erikaj - Nov 16, 2005 10:22:15 am PST #5070 of 10003
Always Anti-fascist!

Honor code? At my college, one of the bright stars of our department won awards with a story about Israel she Made Up... I'm thinking not so much. I still hate her though for making "the journalism department" sound like "lying sacks of shit" to the people we tried to report for/on. Die, Mary Ann Singleton, die.(Although I doubt that she really had a name like a Maupin character, but the memory is fickle, and only the hate remains.)


Trudy Booth - Nov 16, 2005 10:22:27 am PST #5071 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Well, yes, since said breakage happened the summer before I signed the code of conduct. But, they didn't think that made any difference.

That's pretty bogus. Weenies. t ::stabs them::


vw bug - Nov 16, 2005 10:23:46 am PST #5072 of 10003
Mostly lurking...

It worked out for the best. I got out of the FAC environment, and my family did too.