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Spike's Bitches 27: I'm Embarrassed for Our Kind.  

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DavidS - Nov 16, 2005 9:43:18 am PST #5015 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

And do you see the principle of Loyalty to Peers as less abstract?

If somebody fails because I turn them in, then the damage to that person is specific and harmful. If I don't turn them in, the only thing harmed is Academic Standards. Or Truth, or Fairness or whatever principle you think is harmed.


Steph L. - Nov 16, 2005 9:44:03 am PST #5016 of 10003
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Informing on somebody just sits wrong with me. The offense would have to be genuinely harmful to a person or institution rather than just an offense against the abstract principles of Justice and Fair Play.

Reporting cheaters isn't simply about Justice and Fair Play. There is damage done when it doesn't get reported -- it tacitly approves not doing one's own work. It's saying that it's okay to not do the work you're required to do. And those students graduate and turn into the co-workers who come in late every day, or worse -- the co-workers who embezzle, or the CEOs who fuck their employees out of their retirement funds.

Because nobody busted them for taking the easy way out.

Not reporting cheating does also damage a school's reputation, if the cheating is widespread and allowed to continue. Who would hire a graduate of Cheaters State University?

t edit Or, what Emily and Plei and others said more eloquently.


Emily - Nov 16, 2005 9:44:30 am PST #5017 of 10003
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I do get the point about abstraction, though. Stealing Cable is Wrong, too, but I don't know that I'd be dropping the dime on it.


P.M. Marc - Nov 16, 2005 9:45:20 am PST #5018 of 10003
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

If somebody fails because I turn them in, then the damage to that person is specific and harmful.

And deserved.


Emily - Nov 16, 2005 9:45:20 am PST #5019 of 10003
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Who would hire a graduate of Cheaters State University?

Political campaigns?


Scrappy - Nov 16, 2005 9:45:37 am PST #5020 of 10003
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I can see where grades are important if one is applying to grad school, but outside the academic world they never EVER come up. Employers want to know if you have a degree (whihc means you passed your needed classes of course), but grades don't matter. What matters is what you know and what you do with that knowledge. Tying ones' sense of accomplishment to grades (and I've done it myself) is dicey because a professor who isn't clear about expectations or even one who is going through a bad month can give a bad grade which has little to do with the important thing, what you learned, and the bad grade is really all about them.


Aims - Nov 16, 2005 9:48:08 am PST #5021 of 10003
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I see cheating as Bad Behavior. And, like for instance - here, if someone exhibits Bad Behavior, they're gonna get called on it, by whatever the parameters are. Here, those parameters are in thread then we go to the Stompies, etc. The parameters for vw are to report it to the prof. Which was the right thing to do, IMHO.


Gudanov - Nov 16, 2005 9:48:09 am PST #5022 of 10003
Coding and Sleeping

Who would hire a graduate of Cheaters State University?

I think this was how Rove's career took off actually. He was involved in a minor election, played some really nasty political tricks and got noticed.


Steph L. - Nov 16, 2005 9:50:40 am PST #5023 of 10003
I look more rad than Lutheranism

And I am a bit of a grade whore

I don't think there is a cure for this one. At least none I've found yet.

And now I'm earwormed with "Ain't No Cure For Love."


Jessica - Nov 16, 2005 9:52:06 am PST #5024 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

And deserved

This.