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Anya: We should drop a piano on her. It always works for that creepy cartoon rabbit when he's running from that nice man with the speech impediment. Giles: Yes, or perhaps we could paint a convincing fake tunnel on the side of a mountain.
'Touched'
Spike's Bitches 27: I'm Embarrassed for Our Kind.
[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.
Trudy Booth - Nov 07, 2005 8:12:29 am PST #3215 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Emily - Nov 07, 2005 8:13:19 am PST #3216 of 10003
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola
Why do you think it remarkable that God (Christian God, often portrayed as loving) would be anti-cruelty, brenda?
Well, presumably the whole thing would be more coherent if you didn't assume omnibenevolence. Cause that's the tricky part. It seems to me.
Emily - Nov 07, 2005 8:13:46 am PST #3217 of 10003
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola
Aimee! Welcome home!
Connie Neil - Nov 07, 2005 8:14:55 am PST #3218 of 10003
brillig
Blanket and warm drink and hugs for the Empress.
brenda m - Nov 07, 2005 8:15:37 am PST #3219 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Why do you think it remarkable that God (Christian God, often portrayed as loving) would be anti-cruelty, brenda?
Seems like more effort, therefore requiring more explanation. No, seriously, it does seem like a more active choice, while non-intervention seems like a more logical default. I'm not coming at this from a Christian God perspective, though (for the purposes of this conversation). I think Betsy's original statement (speaking hypothetically, and also drawing on the earlier conversation) was that having logically proven the existence of God, you're left with the challenge of then logically explaining why there's evil in the world. And to me, that doesn't seem like a necessary inference, because I don't see how a proof that "God exists" necessarily also implies "God is benevolent," or even raises that question. It sounds to me like Betsy perspective on that is different, but I'm not sure at what stage our interpretations are diverging. And I'm finding it really interesting that they do, and curious as to why and how much.
Betsy HP - Nov 07, 2005 8:17:52 am PST #3220 of 10003
If I only had a brain...
Hmm. Fair point.
I can certainly imagine proving that God exists and is a right bastard, but I'm betting that a book entitled "...and the Baha'i revelation" isn't going to take that tack.
brenda m - Nov 07, 2005 8:18:21 am PST #3221 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Yeah, you're probably right there.
Jen - Nov 07, 2005 8:20:22 am PST #3222 of 10003
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you
{{{Aimee}}}
I do wish I could give you one of those in person.
vw, are you feeling better?
Aims - Nov 07, 2005 8:21:23 am PST #3223 of 10003
Shit's all sorts of different now.
I do wish I could give you one of those in person.
Me, too.
I'd grab yer boob.
§ ita § - Nov 07, 2005 8:22:25 am PST #3224 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't see how a proof that "God exists" necessarily also implies "God is benevolent,"
Well, you need to define your god. And the god that's being described on the billboards as I pass church -- I think he's being described as a loving enough god that if you're getting rigourous about it, you need to cover all the bases, and it had better be effable.
I mean, there are a lot of things I don't think God implies, including Creator.