Blanket and warm drink and hugs for the Empress.
I don't give a good gorram about relevant, Wash. Or objective. And I ain't so afraid of losing something that I ain't gonna try to have it. You and I would make one beautiful baby. And I want to meet that child one day. Period.
Zoe ,'Heart Of Gold'
Spike's Bitches 27: I'm Embarrassed for Our Kind.
[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.
Connie Neil - Nov 07, 2005 8:14:55 am PST #3218 of 10003
brillig
brenda m - Nov 07, 2005 8:15:37 am PST #3219 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Why do you think it remarkable that God (Christian God, often portrayed as loving) would be anti-cruelty, brenda?
Seems like more effort, therefore requiring more explanation. No, seriously, it does seem like a more active choice, while non-intervention seems like a more logical default. I'm not coming at this from a Christian God perspective, though (for the purposes of this conversation). I think Betsy's original statement (speaking hypothetically, and also drawing on the earlier conversation) was that having logically proven the existence of God, you're left with the challenge of then logically explaining why there's evil in the world. And to me, that doesn't seem like a necessary inference, because I don't see how a proof that "God exists" necessarily also implies "God is benevolent," or even raises that question. It sounds to me like Betsy perspective on that is different, but I'm not sure at what stage our interpretations are diverging. And I'm finding it really interesting that they do, and curious as to why and how much.
Betsy HP - Nov 07, 2005 8:17:52 am PST #3220 of 10003
If I only had a brain...
Hmm. Fair point.
I can certainly imagine proving that God exists and is a right bastard, but I'm betting that a book entitled "...and the Baha'i revelation" isn't going to take that tack.
brenda m - Nov 07, 2005 8:18:21 am PST #3221 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Yeah, you're probably right there.
Jen - Nov 07, 2005 8:20:22 am PST #3222 of 10003
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you
{{{Aimee}}}
I do wish I could give you one of those in person.
vw, are you feeling better?
Aims - Nov 07, 2005 8:21:23 am PST #3223 of 10003
Shit's all sorts of different now.
I do wish I could give you one of those in person.
Me, too.
I'd grab yer boob.
§ ita § - Nov 07, 2005 8:22:25 am PST #3224 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't see how a proof that "God exists" necessarily also implies "God is benevolent,"
Well, you need to define your god. And the god that's being described on the billboards as I pass church -- I think he's being described as a loving enough god that if you're getting rigourous about it, you need to cover all the bases, and it had better be effable.
I mean, there are a lot of things I don't think God implies, including Creator.
Emily - Nov 07, 2005 8:23:05 am PST #3225 of 10003
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola
vw is napping. I'm not here, because I've already left for work. See?
Jen - Nov 07, 2005 8:23:57 am PST #3226 of 10003
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you
I'd grab yer boob.
Woo!
Calli - Nov 07, 2005 8:24:43 am PST #3227 of 10003
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
amych rocks in such a rockin' way as to make Gibraltar look jello-esque. Just for the record.
Now this is where Calvinism has got your back.
Yeah, but he also got my historical theological BF Michael Servetus burned at the stake, so I have trouble warming to him.