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Spike's Bitches 26: Damn right I'm impure!  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Hil R. - Oct 10, 2005 3:08:30 pm PDT #7613 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

f A is a set and B is a subset of it, given a permutation on B which gives a subset of B, does the inverse of that permutation also give a subset of B? Hmmm?

I'm almost positive it does. Wait. If you're doing a permutation which sends B to a subset of B, then it must send B to B, since you can't send more then one element to the same place. So the permutation permutes the elements of B, and separately permutes the elements of A\B. So the the inverse just sends everything back to where it came from, and so it must also permute the elements of B. Right?


Nicole - Oct 10, 2005 3:08:34 pm PDT #7614 of 10001
I'm getting the pig!

Emily - please don't read this. Thanks!

VW! Sure!

And I promise not to tell Em.


Jessica - Oct 10, 2005 3:09:48 pm PDT #7615 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

As far as I know, Devon cream is clotted cream made with milk from Devon cows. (And I think the whole clotted cream concept may have originated there.)

[And the BBC seems to agree with me -- if not the cream itself, then at least the cream tea.]


Topic!Cindy - Oct 10, 2005 3:11:58 pm PDT #7616 of 10001
What is even happening?

As far as I know, Devon cream is clotted cream made with milk from Devon cows. (And I think the whole clotted cream concept may have originated there.)
Okay. I noodled around the site, and they note the Double Devon Cream is a little more creamy/less buttery than their Clotted Cream. Now must try them all. Must make scones, too.


vw bug - Oct 10, 2005 3:12:25 pm PDT #7617 of 10001
Mostly lurking...

I should get some of that for my Afternoon Tea. Mmmmmmm...


Topic!Cindy - Oct 10, 2005 3:12:47 pm PDT #7618 of 10001
What is even happening?

Oh. They have clotted cream with Drambuie. [link]


Emily - Oct 10, 2005 3:15:52 pm PDT #7619 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Emily. Star Market had it? Are there still Star Markets?

Er... well, it's Shaw's now. I don't know if it still has it, though. I know Cardullo's in Harvard Square does.

Hil, here's what I'm thinking. What if A is R, B is Z, and sigma is... oh. See, I'm still having some trouble with permutations versus functions. But it doesn't say A or B have to be finite -- does permutation have to be on a finite set?

I really understand things much better in lectures. Just out of the book, I'm hopeless.

ETA: Just reread the first paragraph of the chapter, where it says, "In this section, we construct some finite groups whose elements, called permutations, act on finite sets."

Duhhhhh.


SailAweigh - Oct 10, 2005 3:16:19 pm PDT #7620 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Oh. They have clotted cream with Drambuie.

Wibble


dw - Oct 10, 2005 3:22:16 pm PDT #7621 of 10001
Silence means security silence means approval

Larry's always has clotted cream. That won't help you non-Seattleites, tho.


Emily - Oct 10, 2005 3:22:35 pm PDT #7622 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Okay, so Hil, you're saying that sigma[B] has to be B itself, not a proper subset of B? Cause, how else could it be a permutation? (Part of my problem here is that the chapter doesn't seem to have a formal definition of permutation anywhere.*) If that's so, then it's gotta be closed under inversion (er, do we say "closed under inversion"? Isn't inversion an old term for homosexuality? Not that that has anything to do with anything, I'm just grasping at any tangent which will keep me from having to address the other two problems which might as well be written in a foreign language waaaaah!) and the set of such sigmas is a subgroup of SsubA.

Note: * except for "8.3 Definition: A permutation of a set A is a function phi from A to A that is both one to one and onto." See the problem I have with reading?