Maybe some of it. Or maybe it's Morrison's death romance thing that makes that critic think that.
Mal: He calls back, you keep them occupied. Wash: What do I do, shadow puppets?
'The Message'
Buffista Music III: The Search for Bach
There's a lady plays her fav'rite records/On the jukebox ev'ry day/All day long she plays the same old songs/And she believes the things that they say/She sings along with all the saddest songs/And she believes the stories are real/She lets the music dictate the way that she feels.
erikaj - Jan 09, 2006 5:22:01 am PST #1842 of 10003
Always Anti-fascist!
Spidra Webster - Jan 09, 2006 5:31:09 am PST #1843 of 10003
I wish I could just go somewhere to get flensed but none of the whaling ships near me take Medicare.
I can see Morrison's droning vocal style on some of his songs as being proto-goth.
Jon B. - Jan 09, 2006 5:42:50 am PST #1844 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
If "The End" isn't proto-Goth, I don't know what is.
OTOH, "L.A. Woman" is about as Goth as ZZ Top.
tommyrot - Jan 09, 2006 5:48:24 am PST #1845 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Every girl's crazy 'bout a goth-dressed man....
Hayden - Jan 09, 2006 6:31:52 am PST #1846 of 10003
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
Love the covers mix that Tina posted.
tina f. - Jan 09, 2006 6:57:11 am PST #1847 of 10003
Love the covers mix that Tina posted.
Yay. I will post it to buffistarawk when I'm done with it. Should finish it up in the next day or so.
Tommyrot, I downloaded that Solex on your rec but haven't had a chance to listen to the whole thing yet. What I've heard I like a lot.
DavidS - Jan 09, 2006 7:52:46 am PST #1848 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I am not a music critic, and I'm really weak in the Doors-era stuff, so I thought I'd turn the discussion over to you guys. Jim Morrison was self-destructive, but I don't think that makes him a goth...and the musical sound of The Doors doesn't seem to lead into the goth sound, to me.
Thoughts?
Hmmm. Well, Morrison was a big influence on a whole portentious school of arty rock and roll, and I can see some influence on goth. Certainly Jim gets credit for bringing the black leather pants back to rock after they'd lain dormant after Gene Vincent's influence waned. Iggy claimed Jim Morrison as one of his major influences, and Iggy certainly influenced a number of Goths (like Siouxsie). Ian Astbury of the Cult is subbing in for Jim on their current tour. Certainly the Doors did a number of very moody songs.
On the whole I'd have to say that the Velvet Underground was a bigger influence. ("Black Angel's Death Song"? Is there a gothier title than that in the proto-goth era?) Both in subject matter (the whole Warhol demimonde) and sound (Bring the drone! "Shiny, shiny / shiny boots of leather...")
Volans - Jan 09, 2006 9:10:37 am PST #1849 of 10003
move out and draw fire
whole portentious school
Portentious? Or pretentious?
I agree about VU - when I first heard them in college, I immediately filed them under "goth" or proto-goth. And the same when I later heard Nico's solo albums.
The author's reasoning for The Doors being the biggest proto-goth influence seems to be:
- Morrison was nihilistic and self-destructive
- "People Are Strange" was covered by Echo and the Bunnymen for the
- There's a poster of Morrison in the vampires' lair in
I could almost see an argument for "The End" (as Jon said), and for Morrison's poetry, but I'm just not sure that whatever goth's roots are in the 60s are much linked to The Doors. I mean, not every self-destructive musician is goth.
erikaj - Jan 09, 2006 9:44:11 am PST #1850 of 10003
Always Anti-fascist!
No, but Goth Marvin Gaye? Unintentionally amusing. As is Goth Janis.
DavidS - Jan 09, 2006 10:17:57 am PST #1851 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Portentious? Or pretentious?
Full of portent. Scrying and...eh. I'm not fully invested in this. But I do see a similarity in the Lizard King Mythic Rock/Ritual Ceremony Boohahaha vibe of The Doors and similarly gothic moodmasters. It's a mood thing. Doors songs: "Riders on the Storm," "The End," "The Crystal Ship," "The Horse Latitudes." These are all full of gloomy gothy conceits.
I don't think the self-destructive element is inherently goth. In fact, goths as a group are more prone to growing old gracefully and showing exquisite taste in their furnishings. Metrosexuals of the Night!