He never sniped. He called Logan off, when he could, at least eventually. His treatment of Veronica was really awkward, and very avoidy, and he should have just come clean about everything from the beginning, perhaps, but that wouldn't have been nice either - he knew Veronica loved Keith, and revealing that Keith might not be her Daddy would have been painful. So, that's a hard decision, and choosing as he did didn't make him un-nice.

Any particular moment you're thinking of as being non-nice?

He's upstanding, smart, and nice.

I so disagree. His treatment of Veronica last year wasn't nice.

I understand that her getting back together with Duncan is an attempt to return to normalcy, and the last time she remembers being "normal" is pre-Lilly's death, when she was dating Duncan.

But I can't get past the fact that Duncan is the guy who, when he slept with her all roofied up, STILL BELIEVED SHE WAS HIS SISTER. Just....not enough ick in the world. I don't think I could get past that to get back together with someone.

t edit I realize that the roofie sex was PRE-last season. I wasn't citing that as an example of Duncan treating Veronica badly last season. I was just citing it as an example of Teh ICK.

Doesn't bother me, Tep. I can see why it might bother a lot of people, but I guess I actually have a pretty mild incest squick. They weren't raised together, he only found out she was his (half) sister weeks before the party, he was on majorly judgment-reducing drugs, they used protection, and he went insane about it afterwards. I wouldn't sleep with my half-sister, but I can easily forgive Duncan for doing so in this case, since I doubt his mind was even processing it as such by any means.

I'm with Gris on the mild squick on that one, but I'm not so sure that Veronica would be. I get that she's probably only going out with Duncan for normal!points, but sleeping with your sister isn't exactly normal.

I'm with Steph in the ick corner.

But I can't get past the fact that Duncan is the guy who, when he slept with her all roofied up, STILL BELIEVED SHE WAS HIS SISTER. Just....not enough ick in the world. I don't think I could get past that to get back together with someone.

Lone Star comment & spoiler:

You know, after Lone Star, I think I've just about got over the ick factor of sibling luv. I found that movie really disturbing and I didn't get over it for awhile. After I did get over it, I'm not nearly as creeped out. It's like a mortician seeing their 5th dead body.

OMG. I can't believe that's Steve Guttenberg.

Benjamin inadvertantly deleted the S2 premiere. The one I didn't get to record until last night. The one I hadn't yet even had a chance to mark "keep until I delete", never mind watch or transfer to tape.

oy. i wish i had the capabilities to burn you a dvd. maybe one of these years when i upgrade my RAM.

my plan is to mail the season one dvds to you tomorrow.

You rock, tiggy. Thank you. I'll put up a request in When Come Back.

But I think I'll wait 'til tomorrow. I was ridiculously sad that the episode was deleted. I made Ben feel pretty guilty, too (not intentionally--that was just the fallout).