I don't find Veronica very sympathetic this season. In the previous two seasons I really appreciated how intellegent she was, but this season, she doesn't even have that going for her considering recent choices.

I think the Dean's murder could have been one that really resonated with Veronica if it had been done a little differently. I think her finding out about the Dean's recommendation in the last episode is a step in the right direction.

I think her finding out about the Dean's recommendation in the last episode is a step in the right direction.

A world of yes.

Me too, but then I wondered if Landry didn't fake up the rec. It still makes a personal connection for Veronica, either way.

I think I'd tell him I'd like to see more important plot points on my screen, rather than hearing about them, after the fact.

He's far too comfortable with wanking. (Well, that came out wrong, but I think you know what I mean.) He pulls stuff out of his ass all the time. And lets other things go completely, or purposely misdirects.

I think the rape storyline would have been more compelling if it had happened to Mac, or Wallace, or someone we cared about.

Yes, this. I would have liked to see Hearst be somewhere Veronica really wanted to go, someplace she might have thought, "This ain't Neptune, things are going to be different here." But we didn't get a chance at that, what with having to set up why she wasn't going to Stanford and having her enroll knowing the campus was just as shady and corrupt as Neptune is.

I'd like to see her care about *something*. They've made her too much a MarySue when it comes to school -- everything's easy for her, and her arrogance seems to extend to her life in general, as if there's no situation she can't tackle. I feel like she needs to be knocked down a peg or two, but at the same time I wish that weren't the case. I understood the transformation from shallow Veronica to angry Veronica after Lilly's death and Keith's ousting from the sheriff's department, but I also understood how much clearing up that mystery meant to her.

Nothing seems to matter to her now but embracing her own superiority and dumping on Logan.

He's far too comfortable with wanking. (Well, that came out wrong, but I think you know what I mean.) He pulls stuff out of his ass all the time. And lets other things go completely, or purposely misdirects.

I don't mind the misdirects, because it is a mystery. But I hate how much has happened off screen. After season 1 Logan and Veronica got together. Logan and Weevil were in a big class war. Logan and Veronica broke up. Veronica and Duncan got back together. That's a freaking season's worth of story, and instead, we heard about it in a VMVO + flashback.

This past summer brought Logan and Veronica's reunion, and their establishment of a sexual relationship, and we were treated only to the coldest post-coital scene I can remember watching. Now, Veronica had just figured out she actually was raped, saw her rapist kill himself, and had been diagnosed with Chlamydia, and knew her boyfriend had a bimbo proclivity, so the actual getting together of them could have been full of meaty complications. I could have cared about them, but I've been given no reason to.

The rape arc? I don't know where to start, but there was so little about it that was sympathetic. I can understand pitting Veronica against the Lilith House women as well as against the fraternity, but I do think that Veronica should have had a better rapport with more women who were actually raped, and maybe more time with Mercer, too.

Oh, and another thing! Kendall. Nothing about her brief case, or murder mattered at all. It was dumb, and a waste of my interest.

And the Harmony story. It would have been interesting to see that play into the Dean's story, or somehow get Keith into more trouble, but it didn't seem to matter, either. That's another two things.

And Weevil. I know Francis has had some health issues, but I'm not playing the meta game. It might have been interesting if Landry was running some sort of criminal rehab or from cell-to-college program, so Weevil wasn't just janitor dude. Three things.

I know Mac, Wallace, Lamb and Weevil's screen time is limited due to budgetary concerns, but dude, get rid of half of the tertiary players, instead. Four things.

If he asked me I'd say less Logan/Veronica angst, more interaction with other characters.(Actually I'd say less emphasis on Logan/Veronica, whether they are together or apart. I didn't get hooked on the shippiness, and I feel I'm being force-fed it this season)

I thought some folks here might find Kretchmer's podcast an interesting read/listen.

If he asked me I'd say less Logan/Veronica angst, more interaction with other characters.(Actually I'd say less emphasis on Logan/Veronica, whether they are together or apart. I didn't get hooked on the shippiness, and I feel I'm being force-fed it this season)

I would enjoy it, if it were anything compelling. But most of it isn't, and so it does feel like we're being force fed. I compare it to the way the triangles are being handled on The Office, and it just can't hold a candle. This makes me sad, because I know both Bell and Dohring have the chops, and the BBOC factor, where chemistry is concerned.

That podcast was sweet. My wish list isn't much focused on the acting or even usually the directing. It's the writing. It just feels like there's a concerted effort to avoid emotional resonance. I don't think that *had* to be a peculiarity only found in the Lilly Kane case. These actors are really something, and I believe Bell probably is perfect, or as near to it as any other young actor on TV that I can think of. I just feel like they far too often skip over the meat, and not just with V/L, but with all of the characters. I feel like I'm watching a series of vignettes, that could be part of a damned fine serial drama. This past week was the exception, and it felt like my show, again.