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Well, they're not established by the colleges. Like many other student groups with official on-campus presence, they're separate organizations that get permission to establish a chapter on-campus. So they're loosely affiliated in that sense. They're not part of the college's offerings. College students, instead, join them, and perpetuate their presence on campus. That makes more sense in my head.
This wiki article looks fairly informative: [link]
Right. They have national headquarters. However, on some campuses the Greek houses are owned by the university while on others they are separate from university housing.
On the campus where I went as an undergrad, the fraternity and sorority houses were off-campus, though just barely -- they were on the street that was one of the borders of campus, the same street that the Jewish Student Center and Catholic Student Center were on. The fraternities lived in their houses, but the sororities weren't allowed to -- they had parties and meetings and stuff there, but the girls lived either in dorms or in nearby apartments. (The usual explanation for this was that the city of New Orleans classified any house where more than ten unrelated women lived as an illegal brothel, but the campus newspaper investigated that once and found out it wasn't true -- the "no living in sorority houses" was just a university regulation.)
Each fraternity and sorority had to have a charter from the university. During the time that I was there, two fraternities got their recognition revoked because of parties that got too wild. (One of them landed about a dozen freshman girls in the ER from roofies.) The guys had to vacate the houses and find somewhere else to live -- the houses just sat there empty for a few years. I'm not sure what all the legal stuff going into that was.
At the university where I'm in grad school now, some of the fraternities and sororities are in houses that they own, but more are moving into into university-owned buildings -- the university is requiring it, I think, so that they can have more control. The university built a bunch of row houses that now house about six fraternities and sororities.
At my undergrad school, the university definitely had some influence over what the frats did. There was one, KA, which is the Southern fraternity (honorary president is Jefferson Davis), that held a ball every year where they symbolically secede from the campus, and all the guys dress up in Confederate uniforms and their girlfriends in Scarlett O'Hara dresses. A lot of students protested this, and the university and the frat reached a deal that the frat could continue to have the ball as long as no one in a Confederate uniform set foot on campus. (They violated this. All the time. But officially, that was the agreement.)
Hey, I think that U of I had a chapter of that frat too -- they would send a guy in Confederate uniform on horseback to deliver the invitations. Nuts.
Yeah, in order to stay on campus the Fraternities and Sororities have to obey rules set up by the university.
It differs at some schools-- at mine, everyone lived on-campus and there was no fraternity housing; there were no sororities; some fraternities were co-ed drinking groups; and none had a national charter. (All the national charters were revoked in the early nineties.)
sumi, the I is for Illinois, yes? I'm pretty sure that wiki article said the University of Illnois had a larger Greek system than any other school.
It differs at some schools-- at mine, everyone lived on-campus and there was no fraternity housing; there were no sororities; some fraternities were co-ed drinking groups; and none had a national charter. (All the national charters were revoked in the early nineties.)That's something I've found frustrating in the discussions this season--pretty much every place that isn't here.
I don't mean specifically to the Greek stuff, but in general, I've read posters calling b.s. on a particular feature of Hearst, because their own schools did something differently (e.g. what level of key-access an RA would have, etc). Different schools do things differently, and an awful lot of posters (particularly on LJ, but some at TWoP, too) seem to think their own college experience is THE college experience.
I've seen that at TWoP too. The RA-key argument was pretty egregious. For my part, I've been rolling my eyes every time anything having to do with a "criminology department" is mentioned, even though I know a few schools have it.
(A final paper on the perfect crime? Really? Sounds hard!)
It had the largest Greek system when I was an undergrad. I guess somethings never change.
The fraternities and sororities at my undergrad school (Seton Hall) each got a table in the cafeteria. That was the extent of the on-campus presence. At least one actually had a house, but they shared it with the chapter from Rutgers-Newark, so they were way off campus. My grad school, OTOH, has a bunch of houses both on and just off campus. I'm pretty sure the ones on campus have arrangements similar to condos. The buildings are owned by the frat, but the university owns the land. A few of the older houses close by the quad have been bought out and either repurposed or torn down by the university in recent years.
Also, it's now a dry campus, so no more beer blasts. Very different from when I was there.
I don't mean specifically to the Greek stuff, but in general, I've read posters calling b.s. on a particular feature of Hearst, because their own schools did something differently (e.g. what level of key-access an RA would have, etc). Different schools do things differently, and an awful lot of posters (particularly on LJ, but some at TWoP, too) seem to think their own college experience is THE college experience.
I'm sure I'm guilty of this kind of complaint, especially with the plagiarism episode. I know that campus life is so close to home for me that I have different expectations, but mostly I can accept all the little ridiculous details of this Fictional!Campus. It's a TV show. But to me, there are just so many incidents this season that bug and take me out of the story because I'm just sure that, because of legal or liability issues, they wouldn't be possible anymore--even allowing for extreme variations between schools. I guess much of what Veronica did in high school was just so out there I could go with it, whereas this year they seem to be trying to make it seem more realistic/probable, and that's where they lose me.