They're doing it backwards; walking up the down slide.

River ,'Ariel'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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Frankenbuddha - May 14, 2006 1:36:10 pm PDT #3220 of 5730
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Marcellus Wallace's soul

So Jules was lying that it was his dirty laundry?


Laura - May 14, 2006 2:26:15 pm PDT #3221 of 5730
Our wings are not tired.

I finally had a chance to catch up on all the post finale posts.

Didn't even think for a moment that Keith had died. DH doesn't watch the show but he happened to be home. He looked over at me when the plane went boom and I told him killing Keith wasn't one of the options. KB did a hell of a job though. And indeed Cassidy broke me with his final words.

The briefcase. Don't know if it's Cliff's. It doesn't seem to me that Keith would stand up Veronica unless it was really important. Considering how fragile she is at the moment, really important would have to involve danger to Veronica or someone she loves. Nothing short of that would work.

I've not made up my mind if I'm in for next year. And if I do decide to watch I may wait and do the marathon thing just before the finale.

I adore so many of the characters and love the snappy dialogue. But really it's further along the bleak curve than I like. Ya know if I wanted rape and child abuse in my entertainment I'd watch SVU or something. Which brings me back to the holding off and doing a marathon viewing. That was the way I did S1 and it was more satisfying for me than S2.

I'll mull over the summer. And enjoy the speculation.


Amy - May 14, 2006 3:04:31 pm PDT #3222 of 5730
Because books.

The briefcase. Don't know if it's Cliff's. It doesn't seem to me that Keith would stand up Veronica unless it was really important.

I got to rewatch this afternoon thanks to our UPN's Sundays at 4 p.m. reairing.

One thing I noticed was that Kendall tells Logan and Veronica she has a *business proposition* for Keith. Which could mean something, or she could have been simply covering for whatever her real purpose was.

With Keith, though, she's very clear -- she needs him to *do something for her*. It's *important* and it needs to be done *right now*.

Given her wording, I can't see it be something to do with Veronica's safety, or Keith's, since Kendall puts the focus on herself. (Shocker.) Still baffled about what it might be, though.


Polter-Cow - May 14, 2006 3:20:11 pm PDT #3223 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I adore so many of the characters and love the snappy dialogue. But really it's further along the bleak curve than I like.

Laura, you may want to simply wait and see how the first few episodes turn out. It's possible Rob may reign in that bleakness in an attempt to get new viewers since the network's asked him to basically use the premiere as sort of a pilot.


Topic!Cindy - May 14, 2006 3:20:54 pm PDT #3224 of 5730
What is even happening?

Is anyone wondering about Kendall's involvement with Logan. I mean, the boy's hot. I'm not denying it. But since the Fitzhoodlums and the PCHers framed him for Felix's murder, I'm wondering how much of her selection had to do with his hotness, and how much had to do with keeping an eye on him. Also, if she was on CW's payroll, to make sure Aaron was in his suite at killing time, could she have been on CW's payroll for longer, and been keeping a contact with the Echolls in general, for things the Kanes wanted done?

If Keith so much as gets a hangnail working on her business proposition, I'llVeronica will kill her.

Given her wording, I can't see it be something to do with Veronica's safety, or Keith's, since Kendall puts the focus on herself. (Shocker.) Still baffled about what it might be, though.
I think this is key. Kendall's in this for Kendall, no matter what the actual job is.


Amy - May 14, 2006 3:25:58 pm PDT #3225 of 5730
Because books.

But since the Fitzhoodlums and the PCHers framed him for Felix's murder, I'm wondering how much of her selection had to do with his hotness, and how much had to do with keeping an eye on him.

But who are suggesting paid her to do it? Not Aaron, surely. Unless you think the Fitzhoodlums (hee!) wanted her to.


Topic!Cindy - May 14, 2006 3:43:29 pm PDT #3226 of 5730
What is even happening?

I'm thinking the Fitzhoodlums wanted her to do him it. Maybe not a pay situation, but we don't know all that much about her connection with them, other than that she was working as the roper in long con with Cormac, and took the rap for him. (Wrap? Rap?)

Or...

Unrelated to the Fitzpatricks, maybe she has been on CW's payroll?


beth b - May 14, 2006 4:03:18 pm PDT #3227 of 5730
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I have to say that I usually TIVO vm and watch 2 or 3 episodes in a row. The momentum feels , better,stronger. and the bleak seems to have a better place.

and although I know exactly what I mean... it seems clear as mud in that sentence.


Laura - May 14, 2006 4:04:46 pm PDT #3228 of 5730
Our wings are not tired.

The connection between Kendall and Cormac must be quite significant because taking the rap for him is above and beyond friendship or a long con.


victor infante - May 15, 2006 7:44:49 pm PDT #3229 of 5730
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Watched the finale again, and I'm really, really looking forward to watching the season again, knowing what we know now.

One thing that occurred to me: we never get to see any reaction from Dick about his brother dying or Gia about her dad being on the lamb (as opposed to on The Lamb, which, eh, we'll find out happened next season at this rate.)

These are the two dimmest characters, by far, but I think it would be interesting to see how the events effected them.

I also got to thinking about the title, "Not Pictured," and about how much these kids parents aren't in the picture.

  • Logan's relationship with his parents was rocky even before his mom's suicide and his dad becoming a murderer. He was physically abused and larely neglected, and when it all went to hell, well, it's no wonder he became more than a little psycho. Now, he seems on the road to redemption, at least somewhat -- mostly because of his feelings for Veronica (and I don't want to underrate Hannah here, either, because he did seem to have some genuine affection there.) But really, his instability really reflects his own home life. Now the question is, can he take control of his own life? Without becoming Michael Bolton!Spike?

  • Duncan's parents, by the start of this season, are gone, and he's left totally adrift. Before that, they were totally controlling -- and indeed, Duncan pretty much fails to take any action for himself until deep into the second season: First he steals his daughter, then he orders Aaron killed. Basically, he does Very Bad Things for what are, essentially, pretty good reasons: His daughter was headed into the care of Meg's abusive parents, and his sister's killer was walking free. There's nothing particularly admirable about either action, although it's hard not to empathize with him, too. But -- particularly considering Aaron's murder -- he adopts his family's ruthlessness and resourced, calling on CW to do his dirty work. In shot, he becomes both his own man and more like his parents in one stroke.

  • Dick was largely oblivious to his parents' absence, but Cassidy ... Neglected, abused, too smart to not see a path to revenge and too angry to not go down it. Cassidy is the story's ultimate cautionary tale. I think there was a common misconception about the finale, that who we saw on the roof was the "real" Cassidy. I really think the broken, anguished boy we got glimpses of was the real personality. The villain was something he put on to shield that wounded kid. People are trying to reconcile the rooftop scene with the nigh-unreadable expressions he was wearing after his father was forced to flee, or after his mother abandoned them. I don't thinkl any of that anguish was faked: If anything, he was upset that he kept being winning.