I'm a vision of hotliness, and how weird is that? Mystical comas. You know, if you can stand the horror of a higher power hijacking your mind and body so that it can give birth to itself, I really recommend 'em.

Cordelia ,'You're Welcome'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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bon bon - Jan 26, 2006 8:22:19 am PST #1715 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

That was my favorite part, too. The overall episode seemed contrived and a bit muddled to me, though.

Yeah, I'm getting that. The scenes with the google search and the tatoo-- those were so ridiculous I thought they had to be jokes.

I am pleased they wrapped up at least one storyline, however brutally forced. I liked that Duncan told Veronica he loved her, and I think she never returned the sentiment, did she?

And I still love me some Lamb.


Cashmere - Jan 26, 2006 8:22:19 am PST #1716 of 5730
Now tagless for your comfort.

The Weevil/Logan scenes were the best ones this episode. They need a good road trip. Maybe sharing one motorcycle.

As a show newbie, all I can say is, "MEEP."


Mickie - Jan 26, 2006 8:39:54 am PST #1717 of 5730
Who, Me?

I'm going to weigh in on the 'Custody issue erks' as well. Getting a lawyer and starting the ball rolling should have been an automatic first step as soon as Meg died. He absolutely could have gotten the money from somewhere. There's no indication that there's any physical abuse going on at Meg's folks, just mental, so the baby is safe for the time being.

If there had already been a court battle, and Duncan had lost, not only would the whole plot have made more sense, but so would the baby's apparent age.

Finally, Veronica also said that Celeste was opposed to Duncan 'adopting'. Since when do you adopt your own kids?


DCJensen - Jan 26, 2006 8:48:07 am PST #1718 of 5730
All is well that ends in pizza.

Logan: Really? You always come.


Wolfram - Jan 26, 2006 8:49:56 am PST #1719 of 5730
Visilurking

Since when do you adopt your own kids?

Wow, good point. I totally spaced when she said that.


DCJensen - Jan 26, 2006 8:50:20 am PST #1720 of 5730
All is well that ends in pizza.

Finally, Veronica also said that Celeste was opposed to Duncan 'adopting'. Since when do you adopt your own kids?

When you aren't legally the father.


Wolfram - Jan 26, 2006 9:07:49 am PST #1721 of 5730
Visilurking

At least in MD, becoming legally a father is a matter for a paternity hearing, not adoption. Once your natural parentage has been established, you sue for custody, not adoption. It is technically possible for a father to adopt his naturally born child, but it would be for the purpose of extinguishing the natural mother's parental rights, which is a moot point here. CA laws might be different.


Stephanie - Jan 26, 2006 9:30:49 am PST #1722 of 5730
Trust my rage

P.S. Stephanie, in my office it's the attorney who took the bar the most recently that gets all the questions outside of our specialty. Go Bar prep!

Thanks! It's days like today that I really miss the law. It was all I could do not to get all Troxel v. Granville on everyone.

Even putting aside the particulars of who has what burden, I still think Duncan/Veronica's actions were not believeable. Duncan's staying in the Neptune Grand - go stay in a regular apartment and use your money to get custody of your daughter. The best wank I can come up with is that Duncan *thought* he would never get custody and acted accordingly. He's not known for thinking too hard.


Wolfram - Jan 26, 2006 9:53:59 am PST #1723 of 5730
Visilurking

It was all I could do not to get all Troxel v. Granville on everyone.

Heh, I remember that case from a grandparent visitation memo I did a few years ago.

Even putting aside the particulars of who has what burden, I still think Duncan/Veronica's actions were not believeable. Duncan's staying in the Neptune Grand - go stay in a regular apartment and use your money to get custody of your daughter. The best wank I can come up with is that Duncan *thought* he would never get custody and acted accordingly. He's not known for thinking too hard.

Well, getting a regular apartment requires an income or a co-signer and generally a lease. Besides, if the Kanes were paying for the hotel room, it's not like he'd have pocketed any money they saved. And Duncan is a bit thought-challenged, but Veronica should have been smarter.


Narrator - Jan 26, 2006 9:54:52 am PST #1724 of 5730
The evil is this way?

I don't want to play legal smackdown (because I would probably lose) but I was taught that absent unfitness, parents get custody.

I know you meant this, but just to clarify, the "best interest of the child" standard must be qualified by a presumption in favor of the natural parent(s).

I was being too brief in my comments. I was focusing on the point that it's not a certainty that Duncan would get the child. But as you both note, there is a strong presumption toward the natural parent.

WRT VM, the plotline about custody makes little sense. Would have been better if they were more worried about Meg's parents getting even temporary custody and abusing the baby while the custody hearings were going on, but I find that difficult to swallow.

As an alternative, rather than being concerned about Meg's parents abusing the baby, maybe if there was some concern about them taking off with the child if Duncan went to court?