Isn't that what the term is supposed to mean?

possibly. it just seems to have such a negative connotation.

for the record, i don't think Lamb's a woobie either. i would argue that Logan isn't, as well. no person is either all good or all evil. we all have shades of grey(hi Cindy!) and i love when the writers make me love a character i once hated by showing another side to them.

Joss did it to me many times. Wesley and Faith just to name a few.

well, I think that it is difficult to introduce a dark character, make them a comic foil for awhile and never get back to true darkness. Showing shades of a character is completely different than fucking them up entirely and making the character completely different.

Cordelia once she came back from ascension never did have her snappy comebacks anymore. She wasn't very close to the character I enjoyed even after the growth she displayed through Buffy and post-vision Angel.

The wanting-to-pay-attention-to-the-movie is a bad sign, I think.

Yo-man. When you'd rather watch a movie you know by heart, that's pretty boring sex.

But! It's the Dude! From where I stand, the sex would have to be pretty spectacular to top The Big Lebowski.

I was just going to say but...but...but it's The Big Lebowski aka "the movie that gets funnier the more times you see it".

Or possibly that's a really sad commentary on my sex life.

Sadly this is probably true in my case.

Err, carry on.

Also, what Vonnie said here.

totally agreed on Cordy. i had quite a few snarky lj icons when all the ascension crap was going on. they fucked up with Xander too. in a totally different way.

Logan and Lamb? i guess we'll just have to wait and see how they play out.

Oh, I would never call Angelus a woobie. One must want to caretake a woobie, and I don't know that anyone wanted to take care of poor suffering Angelus.

I see her dating an older man. Maybe a college guy.

You mean like Riley?

And it was really well done, IMO. Props to the actor who plays Lamb.

It's all the more impressive considering Michael Muhney is ridiculously sweet in real life.

But his daddy was mean to him when he was a kid! He's totally just acting out!

My impression is that his dad was investigated by the police for some reason, not necessarily abusing Lamb (and I hope not), and he gave the exact same speech Mr. Manning did. For me, it spoke more to why Lamb went into law enforcement than to why he's a jackass.

These are my thoughts on Lamb. ( interesting name.BTW> but I haven't gone there yet) Lamb is the sherrif. he has chosen to be in law enforcement. It is not uncommon for those that are in law enforcement, and have seen the seamier side of life, to make quick judgements. On top of it, I don't think Lamb thinks that Lamb is the smartest being in the world. Plus he is overly competative. What we got in the last episode is a hint of maybe why Lamb went into law enforcement. Was he abused - I am guessing yes. But it may have also been some encounter where the law won. What we don't know is where the dream of being law man ( see the man in the blue uniform with the bright shinny star) went wrong. Was it always there? Did he never understand the difference between being an officer of the law and the sheriff of the wild west?

It didn't even occur to me until just now as I read the recap that Woody's incorporation plan echoes Chinatown. Don't so much want to think about what that makes Gia.

Skipping completely, because I'm about 2/3s of the way through season 1, to make my very first post inspired by actually watching Veronica Mars.

A Long Time Ago, We Used to Be Friends...

Buffy, I'm not sure how to start this, but I think we really need to clear the air.

Great. I was really jonesing for another heartbreaking sewer talk.

Please, Buff. Not to go all cliche-y, but this is going to hurt me more than it's going to hurt you. I'm just going to get right to the point. I've...I've...I've been...seeing someone else. In some ways, she reminds me of you. She's really something. She's vulnerable, but incredibly smart, spunky, and possessed of an inner strength that puts me in mind of...

I've had it with super-strong little women who aren't me.

I understand, Buffy...Please know, it's not you. It's me.

People don't fall in love with what's right in front of them. People want the dream. What they can't have. The more unattainable, the more attractive.

Xander, don't. Okay? First of all, you've missed the point, entirely. Secondly, and most importantly, this is between Buffy and me.

I'll just go home, lie down, and listen to country music, the music of pain.

Xander, I'm sorry. I love you all, but...I'm sorry.

Oh, as usual, dear.

Giles, I can't. Not you. Not now. This is about Buffy. You remember Buffy, right? You don't really want me to remind you and everyone else what kind of condition she was in when you walked away, do you? 'Cause if we play who-stayed-with-Buffy-through-what-and-when? I'm gonna win.

Now, Buffy, I've been thinking. About our future. And the more I do, the more I feel like us - you and me being together - is unfair to...

You wanna hurt me, hurt me. You leave her out of this.

Oz, not you, too. I thought you'd get it. Sometimes, I'm sitting looking at my dust bunnies... I'm not thinking about housework, 'cause that would never happen. I think about watching you. And it's like everything stops. It's like, it's like freeze frame. Buffy viewage. But...

But...Freeze frame!

Will, to the casual observer, it would appear that you're trying to stand up for your friend Buffy, or even the score or something Will, but you've got a new series now Will, and that's on the empty side. Not to mention, I not only saw Xander with Bradley Cooper, Will—I've seen you with her. Cordelia, too. And Sarah's working on some movie, that I don't even know if I'll be able to stand watching, because she's playing some porn actress or something. See, in my fantasy when I'm watching her, she's Buffy Summers, Will.

How come you keep saying my name like that?

Like what, Will?

Are you freaked?

What? No, W—No! Absolutely no to that question. Please though, let me talk to Buffy.

What the bleeding hell is wrong with you bloody women? What the hell does it take? Why do you bitches torture me?

Spike. Which question do you want me to answer first?

I'm at the end of my bleeding tether! I don't know why I even bother! It's your fault. You're to blame for all this, you know.

Spike, if your movie ever comes to pass, you know I'll be there. And if Sarah had wanted to make a season 8, I would have been there too, despite my dissatisfaction with the execution of season 7. I watched you on Angel, didn't I? I even liked you on Angel. I have been more than fair to you over the years, but I need something right now.

Now, Buffy, it's time I moved forward...

Don't walk away from me, Bitch!

I'm sorry, Buffy. You know how much I love you. It kills me to say this—

Then don't! who are you to tell me what's right for me!? You think I've never thought about this stuff?

Have you? Rationally?

No, I'm just a swoony little schoolgirl, right?

I'm trying to do what's right here—I'm trying to think with my head instead of my heart—

What heart? You have a heart? It isn't even beating!

Hey, it is, too! Aw Buffy, please don't.

Don't what? Don't love you? I'm sorry, (continued...)