River: They weren't cows inside. They were waiting to be, but they forgot. Now they see the sky and they remember what they are. Mal: Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

'Safe'


Natter .38 Special  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Volans - Sep 11, 2005 5:45:06 am PDT #6389 of 10002
move out and draw fire

He then precedes to tell us that

Arg.


brenda m - Sep 11, 2005 5:53:59 am PDT #6390 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Aw. Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown died. Successfully evacuated, but at 90-something and in ill health, it looks like it might have just been too much. He was a fabulous musician, and great fun.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 11, 2005 6:13:32 am PDT #6391 of 10002
What is even happening?

Shoot, brenda. I should have checked back in here, before asking Deena about Kara, in Bitches.

That's sad about Mr. Brown.

The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.

Yeah, heaven forbid they get out of a cramped, crowded, depressing place, get some sunshine and fresh air, maybe look for a job, or get to see family and friends who are elsewhere. Asshats.

Looks like race is a HUGE feature of how people are responding to those displaced. This is really and truly fucked up.

From the sounds of that article at least, yep--race and social class, and possibly sex, too.

I honestly don't think race/class had much to do with the problems with the early response. I don't even think it got that far. As far as I can tell, it was sheer incompetence, lack of communication, and an unwillingness to cut through red-tape, which is a must in a disaster. But if I had a choice, I would not be staying in any FEMA/Homeland shelter. I'd find a church or other charity-run shelter, or beg relatives, first. Gah.


le nubian - Sep 11, 2005 6:35:38 am PDT #6392 of 10002
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Cindy,

I'm not convinced. It has been so easy for various individuals to demonize the residents of NO post-hurricane: "why didn't they leave?" "why are they looting?" "why are they shooting at EMS?" that I cannot imagine race not playing a role beforehand.

FIVE DAYS. That's an awful long time for NG and FEMA not to bring in the cavalry.

Yes, there's a whole lot of incompetence, but I think race definitely had something to do with it.


Nora Deirdre - Sep 11, 2005 6:36:04 am PDT #6393 of 10002
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

sorry to have missed Rio.

RIO!!!!!!


Dana - Sep 11, 2005 6:40:45 am PDT #6394 of 10002
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Wow. I'm watching a clip of Bill Maher take Bush apart.

"You govern like Billy Joel drives. You've performed so poorly I'm surprised you haven't given yourself a medal. You're a catastrophe that walks like a man. Herbert Hoover was a shitty president, but even he never conceded an entire metropolis to rising water and snakes. On your watch, we've lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon, and the city of New Orleans. Maybe you're just not lucky. I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side. So yes, God does speak to you. And what he's saying is 'Take a hint.'"


Narrator - Sep 11, 2005 6:46:44 am PDT #6395 of 10002
The evil is this way?

The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.

That’s not just happening in Oklahoma. I have a friend in the Nashville area who said that the local Red Cross person is imposing a lot of restrictions like that on locals who want to help some evacuees who will be staying in her town. He/she was turning away job offers, etc. for the evacuees and generally giving the impression that they are to be feared rather than helped.

I guess there will always be a number of narrow-minded "officials" who are -- because of their own prejudices -- in effect sabotaging the relief process.

Narrator, are you all whupped, lately?

Yea.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 11, 2005 6:47:57 am PDT #6396 of 10002
What is even happening?

I'm not convinced. It has been so easy for various individuals to demonize the residents of NO post-hurricane: "why didn't they leave?" "why are they looting?" "why are they shooting at EMS?" that I cannot imagine race not playing a role beforehand.

To be clear, I have seen a lot of racism in the analysis. And I probably want to take back my statement that class had nothing to do with the lack of response. I do think if something of this scale had happened in some place like Aspen or Hilton Head, we'd have seen a more efficient and immediate federal response. To some extent race and social class are too tied together to separate, anyhow, particularly in an urban setting. And expecting city people to even have cars they can hop in for a quick escape ignores huge chunks of any big city, regardless of race.


le nubian - Sep 11, 2005 6:48:47 am PDT #6397 of 10002
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Dana,

I saw that. Maher was pretty good!


brenda m - Sep 11, 2005 6:55:46 am PDT #6398 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I guess there will always be a number of narrow-minded "officials" who are -- because of their own prejudices -- in effect sabotaging the relief process.

Gah, I hate hearing these stories. On a happier note, I saw a piece yesterday about a "youth leadership camp", some church related thing, that's being used as a shelter outside Atlanta. They've brought in lots of work/career counselors, but also regular camp counselors to try to give the kids an experience that's more like summer camp than refugee camp. And they have a large number of people who are already employed and finding apartments and stuff.