Death is your art. You make it with your hands day after day. That final gasp, that look of peace. And part of you is desperate to know: What's it like? Where does it lead you? And now you see, that's the secret. Not the punch you didn't throw or the kicks you didn't land. She really wanted it. Every Slayer has a death wish. Even you.

Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Natter .38 Special  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


DavidS - Sep 06, 2005 2:54:28 pm PDT #5039 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Holy fucking shit, Hec. That's sickening.

I have heard a fair number of corroborating reports (from the BBC and first hand) which indicate that the authorities (such as they were) treated everybody as suspicious and dangerous. So, while I do think there were armed gangs, I think the overwhelmed NOPD and National Guardsmen who were there were also treating the victims as criminals. Which is one reason they just let the Convention Center descend into anarchy.


Jars - Sep 06, 2005 2:58:32 pm PDT #5040 of 10002

I don't want to cut myself off from my family and I do a pretty good job with staying away from politics and social issues (even if I have to bite my tongue or walk away), but I'm not sure I can handle all of them this weekend.

My new coping mechanism for family gatherings is to constantly text bitchy messages about them to like-mided friends. Instant therapy.


Scrappy - Sep 06, 2005 3:11:37 pm PDT #5041 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

My BF helped me with this. His BiL (and BiL's whole extended family) is very conservative. When we go there for holidays, the room is filled with loud, blustery neocons. BF said to me--you know what they believe is short-sighted, you know you only see them once or twice a year, and you know you won't change their minds. They aren't worth one second of your energy. When they start talking, don't listen. Just look at them and think "you're all idiots" and go find someone to talk to about something which will be positive for the both of you. It really helps me get through those evenings.


Steph L. - Sep 06, 2005 3:12:03 pm PDT #5042 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Fortunately, my nuclear family (mom, bro, stepdad, and, to some extent, dad) are all just as rabidly yellow-dog democrats as I am. So if we get sucked into a political discussion by my dipshit facist neo-con uncle, we just roll our eyes at each other and back each other up.

Our cue to dissolve into hysterical laughter is the first time any one of the extended family uses the phrase "trickle-down."


Susan W. - Sep 06, 2005 3:12:08 pm PDT #5043 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

My three brothers and I are evenly split along party lines. Mostly we're civilized about it, but every once in awhile it breaks out, like the day after Dad's funeral when Ex-Army Brother (GOP) and Georgia Brother (Dem) had a shouting match about Iraq, in which Georgia Brother's son, also a Democrat, is serving as a National Guard lieutenant. It wasn't pretty.

I'd love to know what EAB thinks of this debacle. He's an engineer with degrees from West Point and Stanford, spent a good chunk of his career with the Corps of Engineers, and had some experience in disaster recovery before retiring from the Army as a Lt. Col. I remember thinking early on how much better he'd do at running FEMA even though if I were POTUS I'd appoint someone a little more senior--if I wanted Corps experience, I'd pick a general or at least a full colonel. I was flabbergasted to discover just how much more relevant experience EAB has than Brown! Anyway, as of two weeks ago he was an administration apologist who can't shut up about how Clinton trashed the military, so I can't help wondering if this last week has changed his views at all.


Cass - Sep 06, 2005 3:12:24 pm PDT #5044 of 10002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I swear, my job doesn't require knowing anything other than a) who has the info b) how to best cajole it out of them and c) how to spin it for the people that need it.
There's something after a? Completing a) might be my workplace Holy Grail. It happens and I expect cherubs to descend. Singing. And with the harps too.


Cashmere - Sep 06, 2005 3:21:33 pm PDT #5045 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

My very favorite part of the McClellan grilling:

Q And you're saying there is not a blame game, but you open the door to the response --

MR. McCLELLAN: I can't tell you that everything you said is factually correct, and they've got -- we've got to look at all the facts. We've got to determine what worked, what didn't work, and apply --

Q Well, what's not working? What's not working in your view right now?

MR. McCLELLAN: -- and apply lessons from that.

Q What do you see that's not working right now? What is not working? Because these people are dying from dysentery now --

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, last week --

Q -- infection now; they're displaced, homes are gone. Does anyone in this administration know anyone that's down there --

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think you need to talk to people on the ground --

Q -- beyond Trent Lott?

I so need to find video of this. And play it every Christmas.


Susan W. - Sep 06, 2005 3:26:18 pm PDT #5046 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Is the Daily Show new again tonight?


Nutty - Sep 06, 2005 3:27:04 pm PDT #5047 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I'm personally of the opinion that if you can't talk nice -- and often, people talking politics can't -- then you should talk about the weather. Family gatherings are not a place for screaming argument about people you've never met (unless your name is Bush, and then it is a legitimate family problem ). When family go busting out with inflammatory political arguments, and you're just trying to enjoy their company, it is perfectly legitimate to wield the Iron Wand of Smiting Politeness and ask them to kindly stop mentioning [Rush Limbaugh, Noam Chomsky], or else invite him next time instead of you.

If there is one thing I despise, it is people who make a hobby out of petty feuds. There is no call for glee at crude divisiveness, and stoking of same may justifiably be called rude. (See Iron Wand etc. etc., above.)


Sue - Sep 06, 2005 3:29:18 pm PDT #5048 of 10002
hip deep in pie

The Daily Show is new.