Two by two, hands of blue. Two by two, hands of blue.

River ,'Ariel'


Natter .38 Special  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Allyson - Sep 04, 2005 3:47:28 pm PDT #4627 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I've no money to donate, but I'd like to let the megahot diver I saw on CNN know that he's welcome to come over for a shower.


Eddie - Sep 04, 2005 4:06:00 pm PDT #4628 of 10002
Your tag here.

ION, Fuddruckers.com is back.

Yeah, I imagine somebody's having crappy long weekend.

ETA: Forget I said that. I imagine the victims of Katrina are having a somewhat worse time than the fuddruckers.com webmaster.


Trudy Booth - Sep 04, 2005 4:19:35 pm PDT #4629 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Mike. Brown. Must. Go. Now.

But, you know, he's a GOP activist. And Bush has said what a great job he's doing.

It's a little known fact that Brown is actually his middle name.


erikaj - Sep 04, 2005 4:26:59 pm PDT #4630 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

Ha!


Jesse - Sep 04, 2005 4:32:53 pm PDT #4631 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Hey y'all. I just skimmed a weekend's worth of posts.

This weekend I'm finally going to get around to assembling a Go bag.

Yeah, I guess the denial is not actually the best plan, huh? I'm going to get that Target Red Cross kit, too.

There are some Evil Bunny Alliance recruits who have been waiting for their fangs; instead, they're going to Houston to be helpful and (hopefully) consoling bunnies.

This is the sweetest thing ever, Jilli.

Every time I think it cannot get worse, it does. I'm sick to my stomach.

Uh huh.

I've no money to donate, but I'd like to let the megahot diver I saw on CNN know that he's welcome to come over for a shower.

You're a giver, Allyson.

Lo! It is time to make pancakes. I haven't had pancakes in a few weeks.

In excellent news, I made waffles this morning, and they were YUM. I totally wish I had a waffle maker now.


Jesse - Sep 04, 2005 4:41:39 pm PDT #4632 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Also, Go Fug Yourself has a great compilation of Katrina donation links and stuff. [link] FYI.


Lyra Jane - Sep 04, 2005 4:52:22 pm PDT #4633 of 10002
Up with the sun

So, and I'm asking this in all seriousness, do we think the country could collapse?

I don't think so, but I agree that another serious crisis -- say, a terrorist attack killing more than 100 people -- could help send us over the edge.

I keep trying to remember that we made it through a civil war and a great depression.

One of my few hopes is that Bush may try to get a quick upswing in his approval ratings by appointing a moderate-seeming, black or hispanic woman to the court. Though if he could find one willing to agree with the administration, she'd probably turn out to be Clarence Thomas in a skirt.


§ ita § - Sep 04, 2005 5:05:52 pm PDT #4634 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think it takes more to make a country collapse. I'd certainly hope so. Britain had the shit bombed out of it, and it didn't collapse.

Unless no longer being the world power is collapse, in which case -- yeah, I don't have that much empathy.


dw - Sep 04, 2005 5:11:06 pm PDT #4635 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval

OK, hivemind, I need the term/phrase that describes Person #2's fallacious line of reasoning below.

Person #1: I believe that Person A should be fired because they had their hand in the till.

Person #2: Well, Person B was corrupt, and you never called for Person B's ouster. Therefore, your argument is invalid.

I want to say "circumstantial ad hominem." But I haven't been debate class in 15 years.


tommyrot - Sep 04, 2005 5:16:55 pm PDT #4636 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Person #1 is arguably stating the hidden premise that all persons caught with their hand in the till should be fired. This premise is contradicted by Person #2's statement. Which is really me just restating what's above.

I don't believe it's an ad hominem, because Person A's behavior is a legitimate part of Person #1's argument (ignoring the contradiction shown by Person #2) and I think for something to be ad hominem the information about the person is irrelevent.

It's been even more than 15 years since my last logic class.

edit for clarity, I hope.