I think it takes more to make a country collapse. I'd certainly hope so. Britain had the shit bombed out of it, and it didn't collapse.
Unless no longer being the world power is collapse, in which case -- yeah, I don't have that much empathy.
She growls?! You made her so she growls?!
Buffy ,'Get It Done'
Natter .38 Special
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
§ ita § - Sep 04, 2005 5:05:52 pm PDT #4634 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
dw - Sep 04, 2005 5:11:06 pm PDT #4635 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval
OK, hivemind, I need the term/phrase that describes Person #2's fallacious line of reasoning below.
Person #1: I believe that Person A should be fired because they had their hand in the till.
Person #2: Well, Person B was corrupt, and you never called for Person B's ouster. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
I want to say "circumstantial ad hominem." But I haven't been debate class in 15 years.
tommyrot - Sep 04, 2005 5:16:55 pm PDT #4636 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Person #1 is arguably stating the hidden premise that all persons caught with their hand in the till should be fired. This premise is contradicted by Person #2's statement. Which is really me just restating what's above.
I don't believe it's an ad hominem, because Person A's behavior is a legitimate part of Person #1's argument (ignoring the contradiction shown by Person #2) and I think for something to be ad hominem the information about the person is irrelevent.
It's been even more than 15 years since my last logic class.
edit for clarity, I hope.
Trudy Booth - Sep 04, 2005 5:17:31 pm PDT #4637 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!!!!!!!
(I have no idea, btw)
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 04, 2005 5:19:22 pm PDT #4638 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I don't think this is sufficient to topple the country in its totality. However, the number of people who have been displaced and are now having their suffering magnified by government apathy and incompetence is in the seven figures, in a nation with readily available firearms and relatively free mobility throughout. Bloody coups have arisen out of a lot less.
le nubian - Sep 04, 2005 5:34:10 pm PDT #4639 of 10002
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
Broussard on "Meet the Press" was really intense. You could tell Tim Russert was a bit taken aback by the emotion displayed.
dw - Sep 04, 2005 5:34:59 pm PDT #4640 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval
Let me rephrase it a bit and get rid of the connection.
Person #1: I believe that Person A should be fired because they had their hand in the till.
Person #2: Well, Person B was a member of the Klan, and you never called for Person B's ouster. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
DavidS - Sep 04, 2005 5:35:52 pm PDT #4641 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Broussard on "Meet the Press" was really intense. You could tell Tim Russert was a bit taken aback by the emotion displayed.
Mayor Nagin on 60 Minutes was also very compelling.
le nubian - Sep 04, 2005 5:36:52 pm PDT #4642 of 10002
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
Yeah, I saw him too. Whew.
Haley Barbour and GWB look like ice scupltures in comparison.
dw - Sep 04, 2005 5:40:06 pm PDT #4643 of 10002
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Haley Barbour and GWB look like ice scupltures in comparison.
Haley Barbour is really coming out of this disaster well, all things considered. Of course, he's helped by Mississippi having its own emergency management agency that is way out in front of FEMA in that state.