But I understand. You gave up everything you had to find me. And you found me broken. It's hard for you.

River ,'Safe'


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Do you have problems, concerns, or recommendations about the technical side of the Phoenix? Air them here. Compliments also welcome.


Rob - Mar 03, 2007 9:47:24 am PST #1121 of 4673

Are there any more emails between you and Kevin than the ones you posted?

Edited to add, the reason I ask is that if you haven't explained to Kevin that Buffistas is community supported and the cost is a big issue, you might want to. He might have different advice for us. If Buffistas were a money-making operation, paying iStrata to do the upgrade would be a no-brainer.


§ ita § - Mar 03, 2007 11:35:22 am PST #1122 of 4673
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's our entire exchange to date. Can't really hurt to explain our situation. Mightn't help, but it can't hurt.


Kevin - Mar 03, 2007 12:05:52 pm PST #1123 of 4673
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Okay, can I wade in here? First off, Kevin ain't me. Except I am Kevin. If that makes sense.

However, I used to run a web hosting business.

If you're on Redhat 7.3 and SWsoft have discontinued support, it means there will be no security patches. This is an issue. Realistically, you could try to hold off, but you're looking at a run of about six months to a year and it'd get hacked most likely, or just plain fall over.

So you need to consider upgrading the server, or moving web host. You could sit Buffistas on any webhost which supports MySQL and PHP, I'd imagine.

Back to upgrading a server to CentOS (which is Redhat Enterprise without a paid license -- www.centos.org). It is complicated. It'd take around 2-3 hours from experience. They should be able to provide you with an estimate of time, and a capped quote. I'd also recommend taking a backup of the site files and MySQL database in case they cock it up.

Personally, though, I'd be tempted to shop around web hosts. It'd take a few hours for you to move the site, and it's a manual effort, but it'd probably be worth it. For the Serenity sites, Drive, etc, I use the reseller packages from these guys: [link]


§ ita § - Mar 03, 2007 1:48:04 pm PST #1124 of 4673
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You could sit Buffistas on any webhost which supports MySQL and PHP, I'd imagine.

We're running on a dedicated server. No way could we afford the prices at your link.


Kevin - Mar 03, 2007 1:49:25 pm PST #1125 of 4673
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

You don't need a dedicated server though, I'd imagine.


Dana - Mar 03, 2007 1:49:51 pm PST #1126 of 4673
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Someone wasn't here for the Hostrocket era.


Kevin - Mar 03, 2007 1:56:37 pm PST #1127 of 4673
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Oh, there's a LOT of bad web hosts, the secret is finding a decent one. A bad one will trash a site sooner than I can cough. And I cough a lot. (A lovely vision).

Dedicated servers suffer from the obvious management issues of upgrades and such, is all, whereas if you have shared hosting that's managed for you (you just have to trust a company to do it).

I google around HostRocket and laugh, also. Seems some people don't like 'em...


NoiseDesign - Mar 03, 2007 2:13:37 pm PST #1128 of 4673
Our wings are not tired

I don't want to go back to the shared server situation. That was a bloody nightmare. How much money are we looking at needing to do this? I'm guessing we are probably looking at around $400 to be on the safe side.


§ ita § - Mar 03, 2007 2:18:49 pm PST #1129 of 4673
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It was determined that there was a bug in the MySQL code that meant we spiked the CPU during heavy usage. Hostrocket didn't care that it wasn't our code's fault--they just wanted us off because we were choking their other websites.

I'm with everyone that doesn't want to have anything like that argument again--it hasn't been determined if the MySQL bug has been fixed, and PostgreSQL testing got derailed.

eta: That's my guess, ND. I asked them for an estimate, and will post the answer.


Dana - Mar 03, 2007 2:19:58 pm PST #1130 of 4673
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Should we do a check of the kitty? Jesse?