Cacophony.  That's pretty.  What's it mean?

Harmony ,'Underneath'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Allyson - Aug 08, 2005 6:52:54 pm PDT #6617 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

In all fairness, and I don't know Joss, just Tim, but questions about ideologies arent so much part of the interview process, as much as, "can you write the shit of this in 48 hours so I don't have to rewrite it all on set?"

Anything else is icing.

I'll defer to Robin on all things script related, but my experience watching Tim hatch a story from an idea, to beats to draft to finish is that there are specific ideas he wants to get across, and the story is the suspension liquid to bridge those ideas. The question is usually, "what do I need you to learn about these characters?" And then the subtextiness in the story is added to further the answer to that question. Some words are added because, well, "that line was really cool!" But not at the expense of the story, we hope.


tommyrot - Aug 08, 2005 6:55:48 pm PDT #6618 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Now I'm gonna have nightmares: [link]


Allyson - Aug 08, 2005 6:57:49 pm PDT #6619 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I started this here, because this didn't have so much to do with Firefly per se, but essays in general.

You're not really discussing essays, but analysis, in general. Essays are a personal point of view, "this is what I saw, how I felt, and why."

I try to never to say, "this is what Robin saw, what Robin felt, and why she felt it," unless I'm quoting Robin.

So for the essayist to say that about either Joss or Tim without a direct quote is a value judgment on the essayist's part.


Strega - Aug 08, 2005 7:01:01 pm PDT #6620 of 10002

I was taught that in an academic essays you shouldn't ascribe thematic intent to the writer. Not even if you've got quotes from him saying, "I intended this." It's not that you're dismissing the idea that the writer had any intent, but if you discuss it that way, you've gone from talking about the work to doing a psychological profile. And it's just a short step to, "Tim is obviously into BDSM" and the like. You can find writers who say contradictory things about their own work. Their contemporary comments may not match what they say 20 years later, so then what do you do?

So it was drilled into me that if you want to talk about the text, talk about the text. Bringing the writer into it opens a very large can of worms. I blame postmodernism for making the text an excuse for theorizing about the author's political/sexual/sociological beliefs. But I blame postmodernism for most things.


Allyson - Aug 08, 2005 7:21:39 pm PDT #6621 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

"Tim is obviously into BDSM" and the like.

I still want to choke the fuck out of that poster.

You can find writers who say contradictory things about their own work. Their contemporary comments may not match what they say 20 years later, so then what do you do?

Oh sure. Such is life. I'm just gonna be more interested on their take on their own work, and find it more genuine, than the dude writing that he knows what's in Joss' head because he watched the same show I did.


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2005 7:31:24 pm PDT #6622 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, that pretense didn't last long. It was suggested I come home.

Did I mention the hatred of my body?


Lee - Aug 08, 2005 7:39:45 pm PDT #6623 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Poor ita, though I am glad it was suggested.

Do you think you can sleep soon?


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2005 7:45:11 pm PDT #6624 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm going to give that a shot, after maybe a cup of chamomile tea.


Lee - Aug 08, 2005 7:49:46 pm PDT #6625 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Sounds like a plan.

Hey, do you know anything about either the Hotel casa del mar or Fairmont miramar hotel in Santa Monica?


Kat - Aug 08, 2005 8:06:49 pm PDT #6626 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Both are fancy?

The Casa Del Mar is the one with the restaurant on the boardwalk? If you stay there we could have breakfast there and watch the pretty people play on the rings.