If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

Book ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


DXMachina - Aug 03, 2005 11:37:00 am PDT #5433 of 10002
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Again, I don't think it's felonious, but it just wasn't right.

I agree. I think the police should've let the parents handle it, and only gotten involved if one set of parents balked.


askye - Aug 03, 2005 11:37:15 am PDT #5434 of 10002
Thrive to spite them

The girl is 11, she was with her 6 yr old brother.

The felony charge is assualt with a deadly weapon.

According to this yahoo article they came to an agreement:

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In the article it says the mayor and police chief agreed that it was an appropriate charge.


bon bon - Aug 03, 2005 11:38:30 am PDT #5435 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

no, it means that the victim intitates the legal proceeding. there are certain cases when the victim does not have to.

Like which? Does it just mean, say, reporting a rape?

Dude, you so don't get to ask that question. You need to be answering it.

*shrug*

This is why I don't understand. I just don't know, given that the state prosecutes all crimes, where "pressing charges" comes in.


§ ita § - Aug 03, 2005 11:38:38 am PDT #5436 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Even older kids can be shockingly short-sighted

Adults can be shockingly short-sighted too (cf Jackass, Fear Factor, life). But there are points at which you figure they've been presented with enough information and have the wiring that they could be expected to get 4 from 2+2.


askye - Aug 03, 2005 11:39:58 am PDT #5437 of 10002
Thrive to spite them

According to another article I read (which I need to get a bugmenot login because it was already linked logged in when I read it), the girl speaks limited English, the police were speaking English, not Spanish and they Mirandized her in English, not Spanish.

Her mother, evidentally does not speak English and didn't know what was going on.


DXMachina - Aug 03, 2005 11:41:02 am PDT #5438 of 10002
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

There is also this, from the article askye linked (which is the same as the Salon article):

While she ran to find Elijah's parents, a neighbor called 911.

Once she realized what she'd done, the girl went looking for the boy's parents. Unless she was planning to throw rocks at them, too.


Scrappy - Aug 03, 2005 11:41:02 am PDT #5439 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

And yet all the boys seemed genuinely shocked anyone got hurt from the rock dodging game I mentioned. I'd like to add that a mere three years after this rock-throwing incident, my brother was studying physics at Princeton. Make of that what you will.


Kat - Aug 03, 2005 11:41:43 am PDT #5440 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I agree that a felony charge seems sorta huge for that.

Last year, we had two kids, one girl, on boy, shoving each over a quarter on the floor. The boy covered the quarter with his shoe and the girl bit him.

The boy didn't report it but it was discovered by another teacher. The girl got suspended. Until the dad intervened on her behalf and said he taught his daughter to do anything necessary to a man or boy who was harrassing her.

Subsequently, the girl was no longer suspended and the boy, who didn't report getting bit in the first place, ended up with an inschool detention and a pissed mom. His mom was pissed because he was fooling around in class.

And the biter? no trouble at all.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 03, 2005 11:42:36 am PDT #5441 of 10002
What is even happening?

I just asked my resident expert (age 9 *and* a half) about this case and your conversation.

He says a 9 (*and* a half) year old knows throwing a two pound rock at someone is going to hurt them, and you don't do it, particularly not just because someone threw water balloons at you. Also, when I said some of you weren't sure she would understand the consequences of her actions, because she's only 11, he stopped me, saying, "Only 11?" In other words he thinks it's silly that people would think an 11 year old wouldn't understand that throwing a rock at someone's head might be dangerous.


Kat - Aug 03, 2005 11:42:46 am PDT #5442 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

my brother was studying physics at Princeton.

Huh! the teacher in the biting incident? Graduated from Princeton.

I see a trend of two.