Saffron: I'll die. Mal: Well, as a courtesy, you might start getting busy on that, 'cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

'Trash'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 03, 2005 11:42:36 am PDT #5441 of 10002
What is even happening?

I just asked my resident expert (age 9 *and* a half) about this case and your conversation.

He says a 9 (*and* a half) year old knows throwing a two pound rock at someone is going to hurt them, and you don't do it, particularly not just because someone threw water balloons at you. Also, when I said some of you weren't sure she would understand the consequences of her actions, because she's only 11, he stopped me, saying, "Only 11?" In other words he thinks it's silly that people would think an 11 year old wouldn't understand that throwing a rock at someone's head might be dangerous.


Kat - Aug 03, 2005 11:42:46 am PDT #5442 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

my brother was studying physics at Princeton.

Huh! the teacher in the biting incident? Graduated from Princeton.

I see a trend of two.


Glamcookie - Aug 03, 2005 11:42:55 am PDT #5443 of 10002
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

According to another article I read (which I need to get a bugmenot login because it was already linked logged in when I read it), the girl speaks limited English, the police were speaking English, not Spanish and they Mirandized her in English, not Spanish.

And there are the other factors.

t /cynic


Cass - Aug 03, 2005 11:44:06 am PDT #5444 of 10002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

In this case, was I wise?
Yes. Now I have to go back and finish reading. Because it is wrong but ... no, it is mostly just wrong.


Trudy Booth - Aug 03, 2005 11:44:19 am PDT #5445 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

She did when she picked up the rock. Premeditation doesn't have a time minimum.

I'm not talking about legal standards though. I'm talking about an 11 year old grabbing something and throwing it when a bunch of boys were throwing stuff at her...

or, like, what a bunch of other people said.

5 x 3 isn't THAT big a rock. She shouldn't have done it, needs to be punished, all of that... but she just grabbed something and threw it. And she's a child -- who ran and got the parents of the kid she's just hurt.

And the police and courts of Fresno probably have better things to do than unsolicited prosecutions in spats between children.


§ ita § - Aug 03, 2005 11:45:34 am PDT #5446 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Because it is wrong but ... no, it is mostly just wrong.

Oh, come on! It's not just wrong. It's also hysterical. In a very wrong way, but it's a victimless crime.

Although his wife might be a bit cranky.


Jesse - Aug 03, 2005 11:46:12 am PDT #5447 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Also not right : "Steve, don't eat it!"

The prison wine part of that might be the funniest thing I've read this week. Too bad the janitor came in while I was reading it, simultaneously covering my mouth in horror and laughing out loud.


Kat - Aug 03, 2005 11:48:43 am PDT #5448 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

My friend Rachel's response to the pot of meat? "So what? He's a picky eater."

Don't show that to Lori, please.


Trudy Booth - Aug 03, 2005 11:51:34 am PDT #5449 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

In other words he thinks it's silly that people would think an 11 year old wouldn't understand that throwing a rock at someone's head might be dangerous.

Sure, dangerous. But fleony dangerous? Assault with a deadly weapon dangerous? Ask him if he sees a difference between what she did and if she'd pulled a gun on the kid-- because that's essentially what she was charged with.


joe boucher - Aug 03, 2005 11:53:44 am PDT #5450 of 10002
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

But there are points at which you figure they've been presented with enough information and have the wiring that they could be expected to get 4 from 2+2.

Like the 2004 elections?

5 x 3 isn't THAT big a rock.

It's a softball. Except it's not soft.