I understand that. It just seems to me that I remember that at least some scholars argue that someone mentioned briefly in the NT that many assume to be male, was not. But this is a vague memory, and even my not-so-vague ones don't seem that great right now, so I'll have to check. Perhaps it is, after all, wishful thinking.
I'm a vision of hotliness, and how weird is that? Mystical comas. You know, if you can stand the horror of a higher power hijacking your mind and body so that it can give birth to itself, I really recommend 'em.
Cordelia ,'You're Welcome'
Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
libkitty - Aug 02, 2005 5:36:16 pm PDT #5230 of 10002
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
Jessica - Aug 02, 2005 5:36:40 pm PDT #5231 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
1 Tim 2:11-12
If my complete and utter non-Christianity wasn't evident before...before I saw Libkitty's response, I thought for sure this had to be a Minear-related joke.
This is perfect! Mind if I tag?
Go ahead!
libkitty - Aug 02, 2005 5:38:45 pm PDT #5232 of 10002
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
Thanks Jessica!
Steph L. - Aug 02, 2005 5:39:04 pm PDT #5233 of 10002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
I'm pretty sure that at least some scholars think that women were more involved than that.
Paul specifically mentions, in his letters, certain women (by name -- I believe Phoebe was one) as his "co-workers in Christ." While that doesn't necessarily imply preaching/teaching, for Paul to refer to them as equals is significant.
billytea - Aug 02, 2005 5:39:10 pm PDT #5234 of 10002
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
I understand that. It just seems to me that I remember that at least some scholars argue that someone mentioned briefly in the NT that many assume to be male, was not. But this is a vague memory, and even my not-so-vague ones don't seem that great right now, so I'll have to check. Perhaps it is, after all, wishful thinking.
Possibly. Bear in mind that in the culture of the time, simply allowing women to attend the services with the men was a radical step. It wasn't a particularly emancipated society that Christ and Paul operated in.
billytea - Aug 02, 2005 5:40:24 pm PDT #5235 of 10002
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
Paul specifically mentions, in his letters, certain women (by name -- I believe Phoebe was one) as his "co-workers in Christ." While that doesn't necessarily imply preaching/teaching, for Paul to refer to them as equals is significant.
Yep, and as noted, they do appear in positions of authority within the community, just not in the preaching/teaching hierarchy.
Steph L. - Aug 02, 2005 5:41:51 pm PDT #5236 of 10002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
Though Paul tells the older women to instruct the younger women -- does that count as "preaching/teaching"?
Laura - Aug 02, 2005 5:42:27 pm PDT #5237 of 10002
Our wings are not tired.
I thought for sure this had to be a Minear-related joke.
Same here. I totally thought billytea made it up. Until Google.
juliana - Aug 02, 2005 5:49:30 pm PDT #5238 of 10002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…
Same here. I totally thought billytea made it up.
Well, at least it's a nice corner to be in....
Jesse - Aug 02, 2005 5:52:28 pm PDT #5239 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Bear in mind that in the culture of the time, simply allowing women to attend the services with the men was a radical step.
This is the thing that I think of as the key -- Christianity is so fundamentally progressive as a religion, but it's sometimes hard to see that from here, looking all the way back then.