Based on his prayers, no fangirl would get within 20 yards of him
This doesn't jibe with everything I've heard.
There are cockroaches in Mexico big enough to own property.
Cordelia ,'Lessons'
Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
§ ita § - Aug 02, 2005 12:46:24 pm PDT #5131 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Wolfram - Aug 02, 2005 12:46:39 pm PDT #5132 of 10002
Visilurking
Some people claim prayers aren't answered because you didn't pray (A) hard enough (B) sincerely enough (C) to the right God.
Or (D) because you're not important enough. Seriously, it's not like everybody's calls get put right through.
Me, I say it's ineffable.
So stop trying to eff it. (Used to be my Betsy tag.)
Cass - Aug 02, 2005 12:46:50 pm PDT #5133 of 10002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
The thing is, no sane believer thinks s/he's got God in a box.I might lose any sane cred I have but this is the best visual today.
Trudy Booth - Aug 02, 2005 12:46:53 pm PDT #5134 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Some people claim prayers aren't answered because you didn't pray (A) hard enough (B) sincerely enough (C) to the right God. Me, I say it's ineffable.
Personally I believe all prayers ARE answered -- but often the answer is "no".
Connie Neil - Aug 02, 2005 12:48:17 pm PDT #5135 of 10002
brillig
no sane believer thinks s/he's got God in a box
"Hey, listen to this! I got God inna box! Hear 'im rattle?"
Rick - Aug 02, 2005 12:48:28 pm PDT #5136 of 10002
I read about this a while back, but I thought what they tested was having a people from a whole bunch of religions pray, and that overall, they could not prove prayer had any effect.
Studies like this have been done, but most of the recent studies have been done under pressure from neocons, so they use forms of prayer that neocons believe in.
§ ita § - Aug 02, 2005 12:49:22 pm PDT #5137 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
most of the recent studies have been done under pressure from neocons
Wow. I mean, that's a lot of balls, right there. What's their response been to the lack of supporting evidence?
Sean K - Aug 02, 2005 12:50:02 pm PDT #5138 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
no sane believer thinks s/he's got God in a box.
My problem is that I've met more than enough insane believers of all stripes, I can't help but think that their type is as least as common, if not moreso, than the non-craxy types.
§ ita § - Aug 02, 2005 12:51:18 pm PDT #5139 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I can't help but think that their type is as least as common, if not moreso, than the non-craxy types.
Nah, they're just louder. How can you tell if everyone in the checkout line but you is a devout and respectful believer in their faith? It's the people who try and change your lives with their religion that get noticed.
-t - Aug 02, 2005 12:53:45 pm PDT #5140 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Or, I'm being more than usually gullible today.
Well, not the digging up graveyards part, that's purely hypothetical. The rest, though, yeah. I'm not a Zoroastrian or an expert on the religion, but that's what I was taught - they'd build a maze on a mesa and put the body in the center of it, carrion birds would carry the deceased's spirit to heaven. There's a bit in Jason and the Argonauts that refers to people leaving bodies in trees and how barbaric that was, that's supposed to be a precursor to the maze thing. Or so I was told.