You can't throw in an unfalsifiable supernatural force/entity into a theory and claim it is scientific theory.

Like that Far Side cartoon with a bunch of mathy stuff on a black board, then a spot with "a miracle happens here" and then more mathy stuff. The prof points at the miracle section, saying, "You might want to be a little more specific here."

It makes me very angry, in a spluttering manner.

This is both a reasonable and natural reaction.

Like that Far Side cartoon with a bunch of mathy stuff on a black board, then a spot with "a miracle happens here" and then more mathy stuff. The prof points at the miracle section, saying, "You might want to be a little more specific here."

Sidney Harris, actually. I linked to it here: DXMachina "Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before." Aug 2, 2005 7:53:54 am PDT

Again, I'm okay with churches teaching ID. But it is a faith-based argument at heart, as you guys have pointed out. There's nothing that says a Creator couldn't have Created evolution...but once you follow the scientifically provable path of evolution back to it's (excuse me) genesis, then you've hit the limit of what you should be teaching in public school.

After that, it's what you believe, religion-wise, and in a heterogenous society, it's not a healthy plan to limit your public school education to one dogma.

The ID-ers' talk about "we shouldn't limit what theories we teach" is a bit dishonest. They want to teach a form of faith-based Creation, but I doubt they'll accept the teaching that all people climbed through a hole into this, the fourth, world, after Coyote flooded the last world.

Part of my spluttering comes out as but that's a cop-out ino science. Why don't we just stop trying to figure anything out at that rate? and then I get angry because it's not even an argument I need to make because they are trying to play hockey in my swimming pool, and sorry, it's just not the right venue, GET OUT OF MY POOL!

Frank, we have comcast too, (digital) and it is channel 67, I believe.

Thanks. I'll double-check that. It's where I was looking, but the initials they used might have been misleading (my card of channel listings is woefully out of date).

Sidney Harris, actually.

Huh. Coulda sworn it was Far Side. Oh, well. Thanks for the link!

Mine as well. It makes me very angry, in a spluttering manner.

Makes me kinda angry as well. Personally, I think Cosmology is lot more dodgy than Evolution. Look, nobody can really explain this Dark Energy stuff, there must be a supernatural force causing all this explansion.

Edit: That should have been "expansion", but I like the word "explansion".

Look, nobody can really explain this Dark Energy stuff, there must be a supernatural force causing all this explansion.

But cosmology would be willing to jettison the whole concept if a sounder explanation occurs. It's just...they haven't come up with one yet. So keep looking and in the mean time, there's some weird shit happening and let's call it thus and work with the behaviors we think we can assign to it...

I was just being flip, trying to make a point already stated better. You could just throw a supernatural force into any theory that has any mysterious parts.