Love makes you do the wacky.

Willow ,'Beneath You'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Nora Deirdre - Aug 02, 2005 5:47:09 am PDT #4795 of 10002
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Frank, we have comcast too, (digital) and it is channel 67, I believe.


Volans - Aug 02, 2005 5:47:52 am PDT #4796 of 10002
move out and draw fire

I thought Intelligent Design was a very clever and marketable name for Creationism.


Typo Boy - Aug 02, 2005 5:48:58 am PDT #4797 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Of course there are alternatives to both ID and evolution - for example The Flying Spaghetti Monster


Jessica - Aug 02, 2005 5:49:15 am PDT #4798 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

There's a good article on the Discovery Institute (the coiners of the phrase "intelligent design," and the most prominent lobbyers for including it in public education) here.

Scientific American also published one a few months ago, but I think it's been long enough that it's not free anymore. I'll link if I can find it.


Gudanov - Aug 02, 2005 5:49:34 am PDT #4799 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

Well, the proponents of I.D. tend to claim that they make no opinion on who/what the designer might be and therefore does not relate to religion.

My feeling is that I.D. is simply not science. You can't throw in an unfalsifiable supernatural force/entity into a theory and claim it is scientific theory.

Besides, there are explanations of how complex mechanisms in cells (the primary argument of I.D.) could have evolved. One has to bear in mind that complex cells took some two billion years to evolve, it's not like this complexity happened overnight.


Jessica - Aug 02, 2005 5:50:35 am PDT #4800 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I thought Intelligent Design was a very clever and marketable name for Creationism.

Bingo.


Typo Boy - Aug 02, 2005 5:53:30 am PDT #4801 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I still like the proposal that the Flying Spaghetti Monster get equal time with ID as a scientific theory - especially given the proposal that as a gesture of respect it must be taught in full Pirate Regalia.


DXMachina - Aug 02, 2005 5:53:54 am PDT #4802 of 10002
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

You can't throw in an unfalsifiable supernatural force/entity into a theory and claim it is scientific theory.

Exactly.


sarameg - Aug 02, 2005 5:54:35 am PDT #4803 of 10002

My feeling is that I.D. is simply not science. You can't throw in an unfalsifiable supernatural force/entity into a theory and claim it is scientific theory.

Mine as well. It makes me very angry, in a spluttering manner.


Volans - Aug 02, 2005 5:55:48 am PDT #4804 of 10002
move out and draw fire

Hmm...from the article flea linked to:

For one thing, I.D. is not Biblical literalism. Unlike earlier generations of creationists, proponents of intelligent design do not believe that the universe was created in six days, that Earth is ten thousand years old, or that the fossil record was deposited during Noah’s flood. (Indeed, they shun the label “creationism” altogether.) Nor does I.D. flatly reject evolution: adherents freely admit that some evolutionary change occurred during the history of life on Earth. Although the movement is loosely allied with, and heavily funded by, various conservative Christian groups—and although I.D. plainly maintains that life was created—it is generally silent about the identity of the creator.

So it's even more clever than I thought! It's a baby step away from the Theory of Evolution and towards Creationism, wrapped in a more palatable coating.

One of my favorite ID conversations was with a cow-orker last year. Him: "Well, the 'Theory of Evolution' is just a theory. That means it's not true."

Me: "Yep. Like the Theory of Gravity. Don't bother yourself about the fact that "Theory" is a commonly used term."