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Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Connie Neil - Aug 02, 2005 5:36:09 am PDT #4792 of 10002
brillig

Is god always the unknown variable?

"Bobby, who took the last piece of chocolate cake?"
"God did it."


flea - Aug 02, 2005 5:44:58 am PDT #4793 of 10002
information libertarian

The New Yorker has a recent piece on what Intelligent Design is - it's not too long: [link]


Tom Scola - Aug 02, 2005 5:46:49 am PDT #4794 of 10002
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Proponents of intelligent design claim that certain structures, like the eye, are too complicated to have evolved from simpler structures. If you take away one component of the eye, and the whole eye stops functioning. No intermediate stages are possible. Therefore, the eye must have been created by an intelligent entity.


Nora Deirdre - Aug 02, 2005 5:47:09 am PDT #4795 of 10002
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Frank, we have comcast too, (digital) and it is channel 67, I believe.


Volans - Aug 02, 2005 5:47:52 am PDT #4796 of 10002
move out and draw fire

I thought Intelligent Design was a very clever and marketable name for Creationism.


Typo Boy - Aug 02, 2005 5:48:58 am PDT #4797 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Of course there are alternatives to both ID and evolution - for example The Flying Spaghetti Monster


Jessica - Aug 02, 2005 5:49:15 am PDT #4798 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

There's a good article on the Discovery Institute (the coiners of the phrase "intelligent design," and the most prominent lobbyers for including it in public education) here.

Scientific American also published one a few months ago, but I think it's been long enough that it's not free anymore. I'll link if I can find it.


Gudanov - Aug 02, 2005 5:49:34 am PDT #4799 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

Well, the proponents of I.D. tend to claim that they make no opinion on who/what the designer might be and therefore does not relate to religion.

My feeling is that I.D. is simply not science. You can't throw in an unfalsifiable supernatural force/entity into a theory and claim it is scientific theory.

Besides, there are explanations of how complex mechanisms in cells (the primary argument of I.D.) could have evolved. One has to bear in mind that complex cells took some two billion years to evolve, it's not like this complexity happened overnight.


Jessica - Aug 02, 2005 5:50:35 am PDT #4800 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I thought Intelligent Design was a very clever and marketable name for Creationism.

Bingo.


Typo Boy - Aug 02, 2005 5:53:30 am PDT #4801 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I still like the proposal that the Flying Spaghetti Monster get equal time with ID as a scientific theory - especially given the proposal that as a gesture of respect it must be taught in full Pirate Regalia.