Gunn: We open a can of Machiavelli on his ass. Harmony: It's Matchabelli, Einstein, and it doesn't come in a can.

'Soul Purpose'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Pix - Jul 27, 2005 7:42:36 am PDT #3223 of 10002
The status is NOT quo.

Cindy, good to know. That's not what I had heard before. I'll still be losing any possible inheritance since their houses (which are both of value) will likely belong to the bank and/or other creditors, but perhaps not their debt.

One of my colleagues was in a horrible situation (on many levels) when her 30-year-old son committed suicide. He had all kinds of debt, and she and her husband ended up being responsible for most of it. It must have been debt they had cosigned on or something.


-t - Jul 27, 2005 7:44:18 am PDT #3224 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

If someone hands me money above a certain amount, whether it's my parents, my boss, or some random rich wacko who thinks I'm just that cute, I get taxed on it. Why would that change just because the giver is dead?

I think it's more a question of if someone hands you a necklace of huge expensive diamonds or a racehorse or mansion or something and you have to sell it to pay the taxes on it. At least, that's where it gets murkier for me.


Connie Neil - Jul 27, 2005 7:45:42 am PDT #3225 of 10002
brillig

In a taxation side step, student loan debt is oodles of fun, too. Hubby's ex, the Hellbimbo, talked him into putting her student loan together with his under his name right before she filed for divorce (she's an old hand at divorce). The collection trolls said a couple of years ago, "You're unemployed? We'll garnish your wife's wages." I said, "Good luck, bucky, I didn't even know him when that debt was incurred, and this isn't a community property state." "Oh," they said, chagrined that they were dealing with someone with a brain.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 27, 2005 7:45:45 am PDT #3226 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I expect I'll inherit everything my folks own, apart from a few keepsakes for other family members. And if that comes anywhere near hitting the lower limit on estate taxes the resultant shock will bring my own last will & testament into play.

Happy Birthday Kat!


Scrappy - Jul 27, 2005 7:46:22 am PDT #3227 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

But as it stands now, if someone hands me a necklace which costs a million and five dollars, I only have to pay taxes on the five bucks.


Jesse - Jul 27, 2005 7:46:59 am PDT #3228 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

If someone hands me money above a certain amount, whether it's my parents, my boss, or some random rich wacko who thinks I'm just that cute, I get taxed on it.

What it is, apparently, is if your parents (say) bought a bunch of IBM stock in the 60s (say), when you inherit the stock certificates, you pay taxes on today's value of the stocks even if you don't sell them. (Right?) Which to me sounds like bullshit. Do you pay again when you sell them?


tommyrot - Jul 27, 2005 7:47:03 am PDT #3229 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

But as it stands now, if someone hands me a necklace which costs a million and five dollars, I only have to pay taxes on the five bucks.

But only if the person is dead.


bon bon - Jul 27, 2005 7:48:36 am PDT #3230 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Isn't it income? If someone hands me money above a certain amount, whether it's my parents, my boss, or some random rich wacko who thinks I'm just that cute, I get taxed on it. Why would that change just because the giver is dead?

1. Gifts are not taxed until they reach a certain amount because, double dipping ($11,000/yr). Over that it's subject to a tax for the same reason as all the other double dipping taxes-- because they can tax it. But generally gifts are not considered taxable.
2. Wages are not taxable to the employer.

ETA: I made a mistake: the basis is not taxable to you.


Calli - Jul 27, 2005 7:48:52 am PDT #3231 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

if someone hands you a necklace of huge expensive diamonds or a racehorse or mansion or something and you have to sell it to pay the taxes on it

That's still looking like income to me. As I understand it, if I win a Ferrari on a game show, that's seen as taxable income. Why should that change if I was given the same car by a person who'd just died?


bon bon - Jul 27, 2005 7:51:30 am PDT #3232 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

What it is, apparently, is if your parents (say) bought a bunch of IBM stock in the 60s (say), when you inherit the stock certificates, you pay taxes on today's value of the stocks even if you don't sell them. (Right?) Which to me sounds like bullshit. Do you pay again when you sell them?

Right, and you pay the capital gains when you sell them. I.e., I buy a stock for $60K. I die and you get the stock, now worth $300K. You pay estate taxes on $300K. You later sell them for $450K. You then pay cap gains tax on $150K.

Without the estate tax I think you would pay taxes on 450K-60K, or 390K, when the stock is eventually sold.